How to remove knob on Lockwood Entrace handle set

I've been attempting to take the keyed knob off an ornate Lockwood entrance set with no visible screws. I've found the little slot in the knob that I think I am supposed to locate a tab to depress by partially rotating the knob. (This worked previously on some internal Gainsborough passage sets that I removed successfully.). However I can't actually seem to find anything to depress on the Lockwood handle. There is no obvious tab to push on, although there is an indentation that appears under the little visible hole, but pushing into that with a small flat head screwdriver doesn't seem to do anything.

Anybody here that has taken one of these handles off before and sort of understands what I'm talking about? Can you share the secret of how to disengage the knob so I can take it out to be rekeyed? My attempts at internet searches don't seem to locate any method other than push down on a tab to release these sorts of handles.

Actually I might be wrong about it being a Lockwood set. The latch is Lockwood, but I see the cylinders are marked Whitco.

Mine came with this tool. I’m not sure what brand they are but they have a slot at the side of the handle.

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Push a suitable tool into the slot so as to depress the spring loaded lug and pull the knob off, should work may be stiff if it has been in place for a long time

There are lots of variations, a picture would be useful to help

Here is the lock on the door, from outside and inside.
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As far as I can tell the upper deadbolt is Whitco and the lower Entrance set is Lockwood.

The outside knob does actually have a tab visible through its hole, half visible in this picture, but it only depresses a little and doesn't do anything. I have tried with and without the key in the cylinder and while trying to rotate while pressing, trying more and more force to push in.... etc.
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When rotated as far as it will go another indent becomes visible that looks similar to the indent visible through the hole on the inside knob. Whichever way I rotate the inside knob I cannot see any tab to press..
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Not clear in the photo, but the indent is here centered under the hole and doesn't seem deep or sharp enough to act as an arbor lock if you put anything in it.

Ok, I am not actually there but my guess is this is what you need to do.

Working on the INSIDE, look for the hole. Using a fine stiff tool, insert and push down gently. At the same time pull the inside handle away from the door. You will not be able to move it far, maybe half to one millimeter as your tool will get in the way. Remove the tool and you should be able to remove the handle, then the rose to access the mounting plate screws. In the attached link, scroll down till you get to Cylindrical Lockset.

Your latch set might be different to that shown but don't worry as the handles are generally assembled similarly.
The screws are on the inside to prevent unwanted guests from removing the lock and operating the latch from the outside.

http://izbkp.info/door-handle-parts-names/

I've finally found installation instructions for something similar from the current Lockwood catalogue, but it doesn't really look the same..... Maybe Father Christmas will fix it in the morning on his way through. :cl:

It will remove from the inside , there are little tabs on the external handle but that does not help you. Look for the depressable tab on the inside knob

If you can get the inside knob off then there is some kind of spring holding the flange against the door on. Pop that and the screws are behind there.

Where the hole is in the handle that you are holding there maybe a slot on the opposite side. In that slot there may be a tab you can depress.

Sometimes the tab is covered by the flange, if you can push the flange harder against the door and pull gently on the knob you may expose a tab to depress.

Some flanges screw on instead of having a spring to hold them on.


Dave TTC
The Turning Cowboy

Turning Wood Into Art

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Where the hole is in the handle that you are holding there maybe a slot on the opposite side. In that slot there may be a tab you can depress.

Sometimes the tab is covered by the flange, if you can push the flange harder against the door and pull gently on the knob you may expose a tab to depress.

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I'm starting to think something was originally installed 180 degrees off or upside down on the inside knob. If I can turn the outside knob and see a dimple and a tab, I think I should be able to do the same on the inside. Unfortunately I can't seem to rotate the inside knob as far as the outside one and can only locate the dimple. Maybe you're right that pushing on the flange and pulling on the knob might expose something else.

...... but it will have to wait until tomorrow or probably the next day. :santahat:

Mine, that uses the pointy wire I posted, is similar.

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Originally Posted by Fuzzie

I'm starting to think something was originally installed 180 degrees off or upside down on the inside knob. If I can turn the outside knob and see a dimple and a tab, I think I should be able to do the same on the inside. Unfortunately I can't seem to rotate the inside knob as far as the outside one and can only locate the dimple. Maybe you're right that pushing on the flange and pulling on the knob might expose something else.

...... but it will have to wait until tomorrow or probably the next day. :santahat:

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If that’s the case, can you pop the cover bell (that has the hole in it) off the door and rotate it until you find the clip, then push the pin in? It should pop off fairly easily with the knob still in place.

The installation instructions I linked to above include a final procedure on how to remove the outside knob if the key cylinder has been installed upside down. By following those steps I was able to remove the outside knob to get at the key cylinder, I don't really care about getting the inside knob off at this point in time. For the record you turn the knob clockwise while turning the key anticlockwise and press in on the visible tab with the nail end of the installation wrench all at the same time, only takes 3 hands :U