forever young

[astrid]

We've had our thread on the old days from the children of the 50's and 60's,

Why is it that when i find myself headbanging in the car to KISS, INXS or
Cold chisel I find my kids banging along with me.
Why aren't they going "err mum, like we did when Perry Como arrived on the Myer Quadrophonc.

They pinch my Billy Idol, Paul Kelly and Oils and they're teenagers ( well one of them)
When i play Iggy Pop too loud, The neighbours twenty somthings ask me what it is and think its Kool, or the Associates.

When am I going to be allowed to be a gently sneered upon Grandma!
Its a bit scary ( in a smug sort of way)

Astrid:peace2:

[watson]

Just play some Alien Ant Farm and that'll freak 'em out!! :U :U

[ss_11000]

umm.

hmm:hmm:

maybe cos the 80's were awesome music wise. my fave music comes from the 80's/90's. i dislike most of the crap in the top 40's nowadays.


billy idol. kiss, midnite oil etc. i'll listen to it anytime.

[ss_11000]

Just play some Alien Ant Farm and that'll freak 'em out!! :U :U
smooth criminal cover by them is pretty good. dont know of any other songs, why are they freaky ( its not more michael jackson covers is it? :D )

[watson]

No Stirlo.mate ....not Michael covers.......the freak out for the kids would be the jump from the 80's to the 2000's by Astrid.....my grandys freak out if I play Silverchair.

[ss_11000]

i freak out if i hear new silverchair stuff. they went soft.

tommorrow ... the year 2000 etc are great:cool:

[astrid]

So what the hells going on stirlo?
I sometimes think that we've stolen your youth.
How can you rebel agaist your parents generation ( as all kids should)
when we've done the mohawk, dressed up in plastic bags, shot up anything to experiment (well some of us) put safty pins anywhere you can think of and pushed mainstream opinion to the edge.

most of us outgrew the extreme, but when i sssee a couple of young goths or punks I think "ho hum been there, done that"

How does your generation cope, I would really like to know because I have two kids who are going to have to "show their parents" and I hope it wont be by either doing anti social (violent or criminal) stuff or becoming shadows.

Astrid

[astrid]

I admit I dont like a lot of noughties stuff, but some rap is good and there some others i enjoy Whats that scaninavian girl?
but techno makes me vomit (as did disco)
My partner spends most saterdays at the Espi.

We're forever young

Astrid

[Calm]

The heading of this thread "Forever Young" was the song sung at the funeral of the 6 Mildura youths that were killed by the car a couple of years ago. Every time i hear it that is what it reminds me of.

Great song but sad memories.

As far as music goes with 4 girls 16 to 24 listen to what they like and it reduces the arguments a lot.

[astrid]

So calm,
keep calm, do they listen to 80's stuff?
This thread wasnt supposed to be confined to music, but what gen x remembers about their teens and early twenties,
I'm a 59er so on the boomers/gen x cusp which i find interesting as i have no boomer values at all.
I remember being one of the first generation to move out from home at 18 because we wanted freedom and independance,
Being able to choose to have sex without the consiquences of babies.
Getting a job and being fully self supporting at 18.
Rent on a one bed flat at $25 per week and earning $ 100,
doing our own washing at the laundromat and the dumb and obvious pick up lines and tactics you guys used. like pretending to be helpless.
all that lovely stuff of being young and in charge of our own lives.
Selling all our stuff to spend 3 months in Europe,
We would have to have been the luckiest generation alive.

Astrid

[ss_11000]

So what the hells going on stirlo?

How does your generation cope,
Astrid

i suppose nearly everything has been done. we just have new technologies. people just get on msn, go shopping, go to the beach, watch tv and bitch about others. emo, goth, punk, gangster and all that craps been done before so were just copycats.



but techno makes me vomit (as did disco)



i hate techno with a passion. it just annoys me.

[Calm]

So calm,
keep calm, do they listen to 80's stuff?
This thread wasnt supposed to be confined to music, but what gen x remembers about their teens and early twenties,
I'm a 59er so on the boomers/gen x cusp which i find interesting as i have no boomer values at all.
I remember being one of the first generation to move out from home at 18 because we wanted freedom and independance,
Being able to choose to have sex without the consiquences of babies.
Getting a job and being fully self supporting at 18.
Rent on a one bed flat at $25 per week and earning $ 100,
doing our own washing at the laundromat and the dumb and obvious pick up lines and tactics you guys used. like pretending to be helpless.
all that lovely stuff of being young and in charge of our own lives.
Selling all our stuff to spend 3 months in Europe,
We would have to have been the luckiest generation alive.

Astrid

Astrid
i agree there was a lot of good music then but i find todays music is as good. What my daughters listen to is very similar. You didnt mention Mark Holden, the Bee Gees, or any of the screaming black americans singers, so we had as much crap then as there is today. Good Charlotte, Alien Ant Farm, Avril Lavegne, Sandy Thom, Offspring, Youth Group are all good music.

I was born in 56, started work in 72 as a motor mechanic apprentice earned $27 a week the second year it went to $42, it cost $2 to fill up the Mini Cooper "S" with a weekly petrol bill of about $3.50, drove it at 80 MPH everywhere and rode my Honda 750-4 at 160 kmh a couple of years later.

Yep they were good times but apart from the problems of personal safety the kids now have it a lot better. We didnt have all the sport oportunities like region, state and national hockey, that Stirlo has or Basketball like my daughters had, we played local footy or tennis or cricket.

We organised everything during the day we didnt ring up on a mobile and tell everyone where we were.

I left home at 18 not to be independant but because as one of 6 kids my parents couldnt afford to keep me so off i went to help out.

NO the kids of the 30's & 40's think they had it good, we thought we had it good but i think the current kids have a lot of advantages that we didnt have. Music there is good and sh#& in all generations.

[astrid]

I have to disagree on some of your points.
I dont think kids have it at all easy now.
Their parents may have money to buy them stuff, but if they want to move out and grow its pretty impossible to afford rent and other essentials except in a location thats no fun.
I rented a HOUSE in Elwood on a barmaids wage, other occupants were students with part time jobs. OK it was a bit basic but not grotty,
We went out 2-3 thimes per week and bought food from Praran market late saterday when they practically gave it away.
Cost of living is much higher now.

Astrid

[Gra]

How does your generation cope, I would really like to know because I have two kids who are going to have to "show their parents" and I hope it wont be by either doing anti social (violent or criminal) stuff or becoming shadows.

Astrid


They become computer nerds or accountants:D:D:D

[Shedgirl]

My kids, all under 9, are AC/DC fans. Didn't get it from me, but it is hysterical driving along with them all in the back of the car yelling "T-N-T...Oi! OI!"

[wayfarer]

I reckon the last lot that didn't have it good were those growing up in the depression and WWII. Every generation since then has had it great by comparison.

The current lot have a different value set, different aspirations, different means, so to me it's almost impossible to say whether GenY are better or worse off than GenX.

PS, my ten year old son listens to Midnight Oil, Led Zep, Pink Floyd and AC/DC.

[astrid]

And lets not forget the tv shows and movies.
my kids love python and blackadder and red dwarf.
When i tell them to be careful of stuff and joke one day this will all be yours,
they chorus
"What, the curtains?" in perfect Yorkshire

Astrid:)

[Gingermick]

Well stop talking in perfect Yorkshire then!
The advent of mass media has assisted the proliferation of substandard art:p

[wheelinround]

How old is Grandpa???


Stay with this -- the answer is at the end. It will blow you away.

One evening a grandson was talking to his grandfather about current events.
The grandson asked his grandfather what he thought about the shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.

The Grandfather replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before:

' television

' penicillin

' polio shots

' frozen foods

' Xerox

' contact lenses

' Frisbees and

' the pill

There w ere no:
' credit cards

' laser beams or

' ball-point pens

Man had not invented:
' pantyhose

' air conditioners

' dishwashers

' clothes dryers

' and the clothes were hung out to dry in the fresh air and

' man hadn't yet walked on the moon


Your Grandmother and I got married first, . . And then lived together.

Every family had a father and a mother.

Until I was 25, I called every man older than me, "Sir".
And after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a title, "Sir."

We were before gay-rights, computer- dating, dual careers, daycare centers, and group therapy.

Our lives were governed by the Ten Commandments, good judgment, and common sense.

We were taught to know the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take responsibility for our actions.

Serving your country was a privilege; living in this country was a bigger privilege.

We thought fast food was what people ate during Lent.

Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your cousins.

Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when the evening breeze started.

Time-sharing meant time the family spent together in the evenings and weekends-not purchasing condominiums.

We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters, yogurt, or guys wearing earrings.

We listened to the Big Bands, Jack Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios.

And I don't ever remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey.

If you saw anything with 'Made in Japan ' on it, it was junk

The term 'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam.

Pizza Hut, McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of.

We had 5 &10-cent stores where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents.

Ice-cream cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a nickel.

And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel on enough stamps to mail 1 letter and 2 postcards.

You could buy a new Chevy Coupe for $600, . . . But who could afford one?
Too bad, because gas was 11 cents a gallon.

In my day:

' "grass" was mowed,

' "coke" was a cold drink,

' "pot" was something your mother cooked in and

' "rock music" was your grandmother's lullaby.

' "Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office,

' " chip" meant a piece of wood,
' "hardware" was found in a hardware store and

' "software" wasn't even a word.

And we were the last generation to actually believe that a lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and confused" and say there is a generation gap... And how old do you think I am?

I bet you have this old man in mind...you are in for a shock!

Read on to see -- pretty scary if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time.





Are you ready ?????

















This man would be only 59 years old!!!!

[Greg Ward]

I was worried there for a moment..... but I'm only 58, so that's OK

But the big difference is the technology, we never had communication apart from a radio, and when I was at Uni.... we used a slide rule, I was very impressed in my third year at Sydney, when the Inorganic Chemistry Dept proudly let me use it's calculator, it was the size of a shoe box....
Greg

[jerryc]

Childhood in fifties and sixties? I grew up in London in the Second World War. No ball point pens, bad news came to us via the telegraph boy on his bike because no one in our area had a thing called a phone. TV? Wassat? Anyone who had a car was someone almost to be revered. Yes we did have take away-- it was called fish and chips and was served wrapped in newspaper. And in our area the local fish shop had "frying times" None of this half cooked rubbish thrown into luke warm fat and reheated. You went there and queued at the "frying time". Oh and no wonder drugs, not even penicillin.
In the fifties I was lucky enough to discover the coffee houses in Soho long before such things became fashionable. Before "Swinging London" of the sixties we had all night jazz club sessions. No we weren't into drugs. All weekend parties relied on bringing your own bottle or on fruit punch. Mind you the fruit punch was to be feared. Several bottles of "Merrydown Cider went into the mix and then to liven it up a handful of Ritilin tablets. Ritilin is a form of benzedrin, not recommended to be taken with alcohol, but we didn't know better and in those days the tablets were openly sold by chemists.


Yes I live in a different world now. In my childhood the Blitz, followed by V1's and then V2's made life a trifle harder and more insecure, so I'm glad my grandkids are growing up now. Mind you I can't bring myself to like their music.

That's enough of "the good old days" I prefer the present.

Jerry


Everyone is entitled to my opinion

[wheelinround]

Childhood in fifties and sixties? I grew up in London in the Second World War. No ball point pens, bad news came to us via the telegraph boy on his bike because no one in our area had a thing called a phone. TV? Wassat? Anyone who had a car was someone almost to be revered. Yes we did have take away-- it was called fish and chips and was served wrapped in newspaper. And in our area the local fish shop had "frying times" None of this half cooked rubbish thrown into luke warm fat and reheated. You went there and queued at the "frying time". Oh and no wonder drugs, not even penicillin.
In the fifties I was lucky enough to discover the coffee houses in Soho long before such things became fashionable. Before "Swinging London" of the sixties we had all night jazz club sessions. No we weren't into drugs. All weekend parties relied on bringing your own bottle or on fruit punch. Mind you the fruit punch was to be feared. Several bottles of "Merrydown Cider went into the mix and then to liven it up a handful of Ritilin tablets. Ritilin is a form of benzedrin, not recommended to be taken with alcohol, but we didn't know better and in those days the tablets were openly sold by chemists.


Yes I live in a different world now. In my childhood the Blitz, followed by V1's and then V2's made life a trifle harder and more insecure, so I'm glad my grandkids are growing up now. Mind you I can't bring myself to like their music.

That's enough of "the good old days" I prefer the present.

Jerry


Everyone is entitled to my opinion

Jerry isn't Ritilin what they give ADD kids these days which is Speed???

[jerryc]

Wheelin,

Remember I'm talking about the days of the wind up 78 rpm gramophone. Even the 45 rpm hadn't come in yet.

Speed? It was a slower time then so we didn't have so much speed in our lives.
Ritilin= benzedrine=SPEED. Hard perhaps to believe but ritilin was sold over the counter as slimming tablets. Just gotta trust your good old drug companies to have a sense of responsibility, haven't you.

Mind you the parties did have a great atmosphere to them.
We wouldn't touch things like REEFERS. We were told that that stuff could send you mad with just one puff.
There was a film made in the thirties called "Reefer Madness". It was still around in the forties and fifties and it's worth viewing if you can see a copy.

The little world of the coffee houses in London's Soho at that time was unique. Even graffiti of a sort had a start there. One basement coffee house was painted white and an art student drew a line and hung washing on it. Later, another looked at the line and made it into a road with a car on it. The line extended and became waves with a ship. that line extended right around the basement and was added to regularly, each scene had to use the line either above or below but could never repeat what others had done. If customers didn't like it it was scrubbed.

So there really isn't anything new under the sun. Each generation makes a rediscovery and thinks it's found something new. I said above graffiti had a sort of start there and then I remembered Pompei.


Jerry


Everyone is entitled to my opinion

[wheelinround]

Jerry I still have an old gramaphone I want to restore and 78 records even have the needles
have a few 45's ep's and all my 33 1/3rd's

[jerryc]

Wheelin,

I imagine therefore you are in a bit of a spin.

Jerry

Everyone is entitled to my opinion

[wheelinround]

:doh: Oh Jerry can you put a stopper in it :D

[jerryc]

Wheelin,

Sorry about the pun. Should warn you I once beat all comers at punning over a weekend in the coffee house I referred to above. Perhaps we'd better not lock on puns or you might get the needle and become wound up.


Jerry

Everyone is entitled to my opinion

[wheelinround]

Ah Jerry guz-under and feels a little potty but gets a wet hand in the process :doh:

Pun's me never :D

[jerryc]

wheelin,

Dunny know we're in danger of hijacking this thread? I know you're feeling flushed with success but I'm used to puns based on my name. With your permission we'll call it evens before we're both in trouble. Agree?

Jerry

Everyone is entitled to my opinion

[wheelinround]

as I have with my disability

agreed Jerry

[Bleedin Thumb]

Well stop talking in perfect Yorkshire then!
The advent of mass media has assisted the proliferation of substandard art:p



I cant believe that you believe that ! What a load of tripe!:D:p

Firstly what is sub-standard art. Who's standard are we talking here, yours, mine or art intillectuals like Capon or Hughes (I'm sure that they would also disagree with your statement.)

I think the advent of mass media has been the vehicle for the dissemination of ideas and art.

Warhol and Lichtenstein destroyed the concepts that art belonged in the parlors of Victorian or Elizabethan mansions and belonged to the people.

Pop art for a Pop Culture....Yeee Ha:D

[witweew]

..:2tsup:..yeah -- i agree, people are basically getting sick of the same old rock/hip-hop/r&b bullsh*t...:rolleyes:.. and there is just this big upsurge from a new style coming out of Europe -:oo:- best place i've found it so far is a compilation series called 'euro club hits' on itunes -- or check this link::doh: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearch.woa/wa/advancedSearchResults?albumTerm=Euro+Club+Hits+Vol+

[Sebastiaan56]

Force feed the world on Zappa and be done with it!

[Gingermick]

I cant believe that you believe that ! What a load of tripe!

Sorry, but whatever gave you the idea that I believe what I post?
And let's face it, Warhol sucked. A seven hour film of different aspects of the Empire State building for crying out loud.