Forum Etiquette

[graemet]

I am probably being old fashioned, over sensitive and a bad tempered old f@rt, but I get really disappointed when I respond to PM requests and then hear no more from the other (usually new) forumite. A PM of thanks, a greenie or even just acknowlegement of receipt would make me less likely to ignore future requests.:((:~:(
Cheers....(?)
Graeme

[Frank&Earnest]

The story goes that there is a party in Heaven. All Angels, Virtues etc. are there. God, the host, moving from group to group notices two people just by themselves looking a bit lost and moves in: "Have you two met before?" "No, actually". "Let me introduce you, then: Generosity, Gratitude..." :)

[BobL]

I am probably being old fashioned, over sensitive and a bad tempered old f@rt, but I get really disappointed when I respond to PM requests and then hear no more from the other (usually new) forumite. A PM of thanks, a greenie or even just acknowlegement of receipt would make me less likely to ignore future requests.:((:~:(
Cheers....(?)
Graeme


One way around that would be to consider changing your expectations, That way if you do get a reply then you can post something like. . .. . .
Dontcha get a real buz when you respond to PM requests and then ya get a response, like thanks from a (usually new) forumite. . . . . .:D:D

Nah, lets line em all up against the wall and apply a flame thrower in short bursts for a couple of hours. :wink:

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

One way around that would be to consider changing your expectations, That way if you do get a reply then you can post something like...

One should never expect manners from others, but it's a sad reflection on people in general when you're surprised by them.

[ss_11000]

I am probably being old fashioned, over sensitive and a bad tempered old f@rt,
well i dont think what your asking is unreasonable so you cant be old fashion :D

[Howdya do that]

Dont get me wrong good manners are extremely important and a simple thank you is not hard to give but expecting to score points (greenies) because you did something nice or offered some good advice sucks:((

Is there a prize for he or she that collects the most greenies:?

[Honorary Bloke]

Is there a prize for he or she that collects the most greenies:?

Nar, but trolling for Greenies used to be an honourable pastime. Problem is, new members usually don't even know about reputation, so a posted thanks is more likely. Or, rather too often, unlikely.

[Big Shed]

A simple thank you would suffice, but as you say it doesn't always happen:(

Like you, I have helped people out either by giving advice or scanning things and sending pdf files. The rate of thank you's is about 50%, ways of the modern world I'm afraid. Might I say some of the offenders were not new forumites either.

Best way to approach that, as said before, is to expect nothing, anything else is a bonus.

I consider helping others as a small pay back for all the advice and help I have received from the forum, without all these willing people the forum would not be what it is today.

[wheelinround]

As a new member I knew nothing of the greenies rep till it was posted an explination maybe to which i thanked all for their support in a post.

I would not have known if I was not told I suppose I would have finaly found it

[Honorary Bloke]

As a new member I knew nothing of the greenies rep till it was posted an explination maybe to which i thanked all for their support in a post.

I would not have known if I was not told I suppose I would have finaly found it

Took me a while to find it. Only because some bloke mentioned it in a post and I started looking aorund. :)

[ss_11000]

doesnt anybody read the FAQ when they sign up.::?

[Honorary Bloke]

doesnt anybody read the FAQ when they sign up.::?

That, sir, is perilously close to a Code violation! :D:D

[Cliff Rogers]

doesnt anybody read the FAQ when they sign up.::?
Code violation. :no:

edit: What Bob said.

[fred.n]

doesnt anybody read the FAQ when they sign up.::?

What the??? :D:D

[ss_11000]

ah yes, the code:duh:. but what if they dont read it all:?:D

[Pusser]

Is reading the Code a code violation? :C

I have seen greenies mentioned but what benefit. I would rather say thanks in a post.

[Cliff Rogers]

ah yes, the code:duh:. but what if they dont read it all:?:D
Some of them don't even read the posts. :D

[LGS]

A simple thank you would suffice, but as you say it doesn't always happen:(

Like you, I have helped people out either by giving advice or scanning things and sending pdf files. The rate of thank you's is about 50%, ways of the modern world I'm afraid.
Best way to approach that, as said before, is to expect nothing, anything else is a bonus.

I consider helping others as a small pay back for all the advice and help I have received from the forum, without all these willing people the forum would not be what it is today.

Well, unfortunately, the lowest common denominator wins again.:C:~

Regards,

An unhappy and disillusioned Rob

[Honorary Bloke]

Well, unfortunately, the lowest common denominator wins again.:C:~

My year 8 teacher taught me that the lowest common denominator always wins. :cool::(

[Frank&Earnest]

Ah, the warm feeling of "been there, done that!" I have already pontificated :wink: about code, reading instructions and reputation, no need to repeat myself!:D

[Honorary Bloke]

Ah, the warm feeling of "been there, done that!" I have already pontificated :wink: about code, reading instructions and reputation, no need to repeat myself!:D

True. But always good to see you weigh in on a topic. :rolleyes::wink:

[Frank&Earnest]

True. But always good to see you weigh in on a topic. :rolleyes::wink:

As somebody else said, small pleasures for small minds...:D

[Howdya do that]

As somebody else said, small pleasures for small minds...:D

Is a greenie a small pleasure:?

[ss_11000]

Is reading the Code a code violation? :C

I have seen greenies mentioned but what benefit. I would rather say thanks in a post.why not do both?


Some of them dodn't even read the posts. :D or the dates:rolleyes::D

[Frank&Earnest]

Is a greenie a small pleasure:?

I did not mean that, I meant "weighing in". I was expecting at least a couple of possible interpretations there, this is an added one... well done!:2tsup:

[LGS]

My year 8 teacher taught me that the lowest common denominator always wins. :cool::(

Well Bob,
According to the laws of Physical Chemistry, it requires energy to maintain a system. Entropy (or increasing chaos) is the trend within the Universe. It's just good to know we humans are doing our bit to help.:)

Regards,

Rob

[Frank&Earnest]

Well Bob,
According to the laws of Physical Chemistry, it requires energy to maintain a system. Entropy (or increasing chaos) is the trend within the Universe. It's just good to know we humans are doing our bit to help.:)

Regards,

Rob
Your humour is even more cryptic than mine...:D My take is that in "non-physical chemistry":wink: it takes a lot of energy to maintain balanced relationships and the mediocrity resulting from the application of decreasing levels of energy is an entropy controlling mechanism. :)
Of course, this implies that Graeme's universe is exploding. :D

[Groggy]

You guys need a room in alt.philosophy :rolleyes:

Back to the original topic, Graeme has a point - it is just polite to acknowledge someone's effort on your behalf. Whether it be by firing off a greenie (please look it up before taking it at 'face' value), sending a PM or just posting a simple "thanks".

I have read posts where members must have researched for at least an hour or more, then written 400-500 word responses only to be completely ignored, or, worse, to have the questioner take one small sentence out of context and begin arguing.

A simple thank you is all it takes.

[dazzler]

Maybe they dont like you :D :p :p:p

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

Nar, but trolling for Greenies used to be an honourable pastime.

That often netted as many reds as greens if not done subtly. :U

[John Saxton]

You guys need a room in alt.philosophy :rolleyes:

Back to the original topic, Graeme has a point - it is just polite to acknowledge someone's effort on you behalf.

A simple thank you is all it takes.

Is it merely a sign of the times that good manners are only a product of an upbringing of folk sensitive to peoples needs?

Oft times I find that even holding the door open for someone is met with total ignorance and not a word of consideration in my direction,not only with the younger generation but at times also in those of my generation.

I get annoyed with ignorance and generally say thanks in their direction when I do something and don't get acknowledged....still get the blank look tho???

Cheers:)

[Bleedin Thumb]

I'm not going to respond to this thread as I don't fall into the Grumpy Old Men category ..........yet...... well OK actually I do.....

What I hate is old people complaining about the lack of manners of today's youth.

Come on now, what do you expect from those rude, ignorant, self opinionated toe rags anyway! Young people ! Shoot the lot of them! :wink:

[m2c1Iw]

Come on now, what do you expect from those rude, ignorant, self opinionated toe rags anyway! Young people !

Please accept my apology for all my thoughtlessness I know I have been young,rude and self opinionated but listen here mate where do you get off calling me a toe rag :((..........:D

[dazzler]

Respect ya elders.......




what a toe rag :p

[Toolin Around]

Maybe this has already been said as I haven't read the replies...

You have to remember that all you are doing is essentially responding to a computer screen there is no one else there. When you look at it that way it's much easier to realize that most of the etiquette we come to expect from personal contact goes out the window. I know how I converse with someone in person is much different than when I'm banging it out on a keyboard. This is not an attempt at an excuse for bad form but just a reality of the digital age. You can't take it personally.

[Toolin Around]

A simple thank you would suffice, but as you say it doesn't always happen:(

Like you, I have helped people out either by giving advice or scanning things and sending pdf files. The rate of thank you's is about 50%, ways of the modern world I'm afraid. Might I say some of the offenders were not new forumites either.

Best way to approach that, as said before, is to expect nothing, anything else is a bonus.

I consider helping others as a small pay back for all the advice and help I have received from the forum, without all these willing people the forum would not be what it is today.

I think you need to change the way you think (not meant in any other way than helpful). You should be helping cause you want to. To support what is a good community type attitude. I couldn't careless if I get a response or not. It's completely irrelevant to why and what I'm trying to foster, we're suppose to be here to share and help each other not receive praise. I refuse to take it personally and destroy the community sharing that forums like this have created by taking it personally if someone doesn't respond back. In fact I would have a tough time taking it personally because I rarely take notice of whom I'm responding to. Come to think of it I actually have no idea whom I'm responding to now!

[Big Shed]

Maybe this has already been said as I haven't read the replies...

You have to remember that all you are doing is essentially responding to a computer screen there is no one else there. When you look at it that way it's much easier to realize that most of the etiquette we come to expect from personal contact goes out the window. I know how I converse with someone in person is much different than when I'm banging it out on a keyboard. This is not an attempt at an excuse for bad form but just a reality of the digital age. You can't take it personally.

TA, I agree with the bit about the interaction on screen to a certain extent, however basic good manners still apply.

It is where you go to the trouble of doing something besides "banging a reply on the keyboard", eg scan an article and email that to a person not a computer screen, that at the very least an acknowledgement, if not a thank you is in order.

But perhaps it is a generational thing, and like BT said I'm just a grumpy old f*rt, but then I'd rather be a grunpy old f*rt with manners, than a young buck wihtout them.

From my observation though, it is not related to age, perhaps more to upbringing.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

A minor diversion: while re-reading this thread a grey cell sparked and resurrected parts of a long forgotten memory.

There's a language that has a plethora of words to say "thank you," the main difference between them being the degree of annoyance expressed at being beholden to someone...

Is it Japanese? Or am I recalling some childhood urban myth? :?

[RufflyRustic]

Not meaning to detracting from Skew's question in any way, as I'm interested in the answer...

But as to etiquette anyway, anywhere, instead of complaining about it and doing not much, why not continue to lead by example, as some of the posters/readers of this thread already do.

Yes, it does need to be said, but saying is nothing without examples to back it up.

So, indeed,

Thank you

Wendy

[Frank&Earnest]

I think you need to change the way you think (not meant in any other way than helpful). You should be helping cause you want to. To support what is a good community type attitude. I couldn't careless if I get a response or not. It's completely irrelevant to why and what I'm trying to foster, we're suppose to be here to share and help each other not receive praise. I refuse to take it personally and destroy the community sharing that forums like this have created by taking it personally if someone doesn't respond back. In fact I would have a tough time taking it personally because I rarely take notice of whom I'm responding to. Come to think of it I actually have no idea whom I'm responding to now!

Ditto.

[Frank&Earnest]

A minor diversion: while re-reading this thread a grey cell sparked and resurrected parts of a long forgotten memory.

There's a language that has a plethora of words to say "thank you," the main difference between them being the degree of annoyance expressed at being beholden to someone...

Is it Japanese? Or am I recalling some childhood urban myth? :?

A couple of other forumites are more qualified than I am to respond, but I am going to "weigh in" anyway:D. Don't think it is Japanese, it is true that they have at least three or four ways to say it, but it is a matter of speaking up or down. Interpreting status recognition as annoyance whould be too long a bow to draw, IMHO.

[kekemo]

Ah yes the code:.....Read more than some of it ...laughed my head of at most of it....can't believe someone has that much time on their hands....they need to spend more time in their shed working.....stop the
b l o o d y thinking....do some work.....LOL...
I just don't have enough hours in the day....don't let anyone tell you it gets easy the older the kids get.....New generation hasn't heard of that....33, 31, 28, & 27 and run around after them more now than ever before in my life....But it's keeping me out of trouble....now have to get retic going so woodwork has to wait until monday....
Have a good weekend everyone...

But don't worry about those people who don't thank you....their sure to want to know something again, so next time.... you don't have to worry then do you....

Lifes a bitch then you die....we have to be thankful for what we have....and try to influence others with decorum & ettiquette with out letting it worry you.....or its not really a selfless task....

Worse "greenie I knew....wasn't a forumie but a political one.....and guess what car they had....YES a V8....mmm didn't add up for me!

Anyway...just dropped by...not here much lately...to much going on.
Keep enjoying the woodworking....everyone!
KEKEMO

[Cliff Rogers]

Ah yes the code:.....Read more than some of it ...laughed my head of at most of it....can't believe someone has that much time on their hands............
It wasn't written by one bloke alone... it was a committee but one bloke put it all together into one code. :2tsup:


Worse "greenie I knew....wasn't a forumie but a political one.....and ....
oooooooo......... :no: :rolleyes: :-

Where is that smiley with the ball going right through to the keeper???? :D

Wrong sort of greenie Kerry. :p

[Wild Dingo]

I am probably being old fashioned, over sensitive and a bad tempered old f@rt, but I get really disappointed when I respond to PM requests and then hear no more from the other (usually new) forumite. A PM of thanks, a greenie or even just acknowlegement of receipt would make me less likely to ignore future requests.:((:~:(
Cheers....(?)
Graeme

Well... I know Ive been guilty of that occasionally :B sometimes I forget sometimes I get distracted sometimes other things get in the way... and while sometimes down the track I will remember other times it just clean buggars of out of my mind... I regularily clean out the pm box totally since the damned thing doesnt hold enough for a weeks pming... so in the cleanout I can and have lost a few that I should have responded to.

So here an now Graeme I say... THANKS MATE!!... sorry? cheers? good on yer?

Oh and I include all those who Ive failed to say a solid thanks cheers good on yer too other than graeme who I cant really remember if hes sent me a pm or not but heck I reckon hes alright so maybe he did better cover the bases eh? So...

THANKS ALL!! BLUDDY BUNCH OF FRIGGIN LEGENDS THE LOT OF YER!!! :2tsup: yep even some of those wallys that inhabit that other forum are all right... others well theres always some that you wont get along with so fluck em an move forward but to all of yous mob that have in some way or other helped assisted encouraged and motivated me over the time Ive been here or sent me emails pdfs or snail mail stuff along with other such... THANK YOU!! :2tsup:

[Master Splinter]

I like the people who come along, join, ask a question, argue with the answers they get because it doesn't support their own opinions, and then leave in a big huff after saying how clever they are!

(this is my favorite thread on the topic - http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=31829)

[graemet]

An interesting discussion! It seems that some of you feel that I'm concerned with reputation points in my thread starter, but the reference to greenies was just an example of how I show my appreciation when someone contacts me with the answer to a problem, posted or not.
The thrust of my whinge was the absence of acknowledgement, public or private, something that Ding is never guilty of. The requested information may just as well have disappeared into cyberspace, never to be seen again.
Anyway, thanks to all of you who have responded in this thread, I luvs youse all!:B
Cheers
Graeme
whose mummy taught him always to say ta.:U

[pawnhead]

I like the people who come along, join, ask a question, argue with the answers they get because it doesn't support their own opinions, and then leave in a big huff after saying how clever they are!

(this is my favorite thread on the topic - http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=31829)Crikey! :oo:
What an obnoxious piece of work that character was. I'd hate to be stuck in an elevator with him, that's for sure.

I hope he didn't take Al's advice in the thread. I'd say that the world would be better off if he went for a Darwin Award instead. :U

[Frank&Earnest]

Crikey! :oo:
What an obnoxious piece of work that character was. I'd hate to be stuck in an elevator with him, that's for sure.



More likely to happen to me unfortunately, he's from Adelaide. :( You have to give it to him, though, he introduced himself by name, so he will be easier to avoid!:oo::)