What your pet aversion?

[les88]

Mine is not laying a plane on its side when not in use. In the old days when we had tool boxes with all our hand tools [power tools not invented yet] in was keeping the edge on the plane blade. I know back the blade off, but I forget easily. So in the box I made compartments for the planes with the front held off the bottom with a small piece of wood. A lot of pics on woodwork forums show the plane resting on the blade, my blood runs cold.
BTW most of our jambs were in need of a clean up, so I bought a Badger plane for the job., wish I still had it, I think it went the way of my german jack and the 4 jointer and the Stanley 45. But I have a mate who still has his 45 and is selling it to me.
:2tsup:
les

[zathras]

Small yappy dogs

Oh sorry, did you mean tool related? :D

[Lignum]

Empty spaces on the shadow board:(

[rat52]

1/ People who borrow the same tool every day (FOR G## SAKE BUY YOUR OWN)

2/ Tradesmen who have to borrow basic tools (a carpenter who forgot to bring his hammer:~)

[funkychicken]

Concrete.
Concrete + Timber = dent haven. Yep I know, it's a tad bizzare.

And sanding lines on my turnings.

And hypocrites.

*twitch*

[echnidna]

digging holes in the ground

[JDarvall]

Stupid blokey competition that causes major stuffups......uno, people insistant on doing it 'their' way without consideration. Types that when they eventually do stuff up, are too proud even to say ' I WAS WRONG ' .

Up there with pmt that. And working with a bloke that doesn't stop farting.

[Harry72]

When you go the deli at the supermarket and buy some supposedly fresh quality sliced meat... you get home to only find its slimey and gone off. Fresh food people... my ass!

[jefferson]

My pet hate for woodworking is the disdain others (particularly my dad) show to boards that have just been jointed and thicknessed.

I keep saying - WATCH THE DAMN EDGES!

And he keeps banging the boards around, only to be surprised when the dents show after glue up.

Second pet hate is dust extraction. The "most used" tools in my shed are my Metabo vacuum (which gets moved from the mitre saw to the router table to the table saw to the FMT to the orbita sander) and my dust extractor (which moves from the sliding table saw to the planer to the rip saw to the other router table).

Jefferson

[AlexS]

Small glue dobs on the bench. That's why I run the scraper over my bench and oil it after every glue-up.

[speedy]

Empty spaces on the shadow board:(

:no: :no: :no:

I absolutely detest shadow boards.


:doh: :doh: :doh:

[craigb]

People who put their feet on the train seats.

People who leave their personal waste behind.

Kids who think that it's "artistic" to spray their ugly crappy graffiti over public property.

Dip sh#ts who aren't considerate of other people.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

Woodworking: Pencils that've been dropped and had the lead shattered all the way through. You know the ones... you sharpen a pencil and the first time you use it the end drops out. Resharpen, try again with the same result. Rinse & repeat until you throw the bastard in the bin and hunt down another.

The worst of it is, you know that the next time you need a pencil this will be the only one you can find... :(



Non-woodwork: social chatter. eg at BBQ's... Why is it that so many people take 15 minutes to say absolutely nothing, when a simple nod of the head in your general direction conveys as much information without wasting valuable drinking time? [sigh]

[Sturdee]

When members don't acknowledge the advice given in reply to a question asked by them. They may not like the advice given but not acknowledging the effort gone in replying is a complete lack of manners and insulting.


Also those members who only come on line to ask a question and then disappear until they need another question answered. A bit of involvement and posting non questions as well as questions is what keeps this board alive.


Both of the above are my pet aversions and I consider those members leeches and I don't reply to those anymore.


Peter.

[fred.n]

Smokers flicking their bloody butts where-ever they like :(( :(( :((

[Groggy]

A fly going berserk in your ear.

Skew's crappy pencils :)

[munruben]

I hate adjustable spanners.:no:

[rhancock]

:no: :no: :no:

I absolutely detest shadow boards.


:doh: :doh: :doh:

Me too.. You're just asking to be reminded about the tool you've lost, or the one you lent and never got back, or the one some b#$%#d nicked.

And Skew's pencils.

And planes resting on their blades.

And tool boxes which are too small for the number of tools you've got. Which is all of them cos as soon as you find one big enough, you have to buy more tools.

But most of all, and I know this won't be popular on the forum, but I hate MESS!! It means the only way to find that widget you dropped is when you stand on it and bend it out of shape. It means that you're breathing in the dust you made yesterday, and last week, and last month. It means you don't find that tool you really need to use, until you don't need it anymore.

[Iain]

Sunset.............on Sunday:- because tomorrow is............

[pitbull]

Arthritis, cos' i can't do the the things i used to do.:(
And borrowers, "can i borrow","NO YOU CAN'T!!" :((

[Doughboy]

Vegetarians who eat fish and chicken. If you dont eat red meat just say you dont eat red meat because sure as eggs you are not a damn vegetarian!!!

[Dickiejim]

I have two at the moment,

1. is those stupid stickers they put on every piece of wood you buy these days, and they charge so much you can't afford to cut them off and they are impossible to get of.

2. Is Murphys law, I wish he'd leave me alone

[rhancock]

I have two at the moment,

1. is those stupid stickers they put on every piece of wood you buy these days, and they charge so much you can't afford to cut them off and they are impossible to get of.

2. Is Murphys law, I wish he'd leave me alone

Cos he always sticks them on the best bit of wood, doesn't he!

[Different]

I think this might get moved to the Open Slather page mut here goes

Vegans
Plastic handles on tools
The Left of politics
Blunt tools
Political Correctness
Dust and Shavings on the floor
Local, State and Federal Govt
The fact that a Harry Potter movie on TV come with a warning about Supernatural Themes but Big Brother and other shows can openly discuss Unnatural Themes without the same warning.
Bunnings and the unfortunate fact that sometimes you Have to use them.
TV Handyman shows.
Religion in all its forms thinking that others should see things through their distorted glasses
Red Pacific Silkwood / Radiata / Tas Oak
Almost Rolling the Tractor !
Kickback !
Poor Design
Tools made in Emerging Economies.
Pointless decoration in furniture or Buildings
Mitre joints and their false legitimacy except in picture frames.
People who hide end grain
People who hate end grain
People who hate SandingPeople who hate Cats or Horses
Big Business Woodworking (Freedom, OzDesign etc)
DAR Timber
Need to take a breather might add some more later !!

Ross

[Andy Mac]

When members don't acknowledge the advice given in reply to a question asked by them....not acknowledging the effort gone in replying is a complete lack of manners and insulting.

Yep, been a bit of that lately, even after sending redone scans by private email and still no acknowledgement:(. Plain bad manners.

Woodwork related, I hate trying to turn anything the same, as in a mulitple, a matching pair!!:rolleyes:
Non-woodwork, I hate litter...endless stupid trails of it on every highway:((, then the odd deposit of bags full from a boot or ute. What the %$&^ is wrong with hanging onto it untill you find a bin, its beyond me.

Cheers,

[Ashore]

Putting planes down not on there side , I even put those stanley form files on there sides , cause even though he passed on 20 years ago I think my old dad would come back and give me hell if I didn't.
The one thing that gets me the most thouht is those rules that are exactly 1cm or 1" short , the ones that no matter how carefully you mark out the cut is 1" or 1cm short :?

[Toolin Around]

Yep, been a bit of that lately, even after sending redone scans by private email and still no acknowledgement:(. Plain bad manners.

Woodwork related, I hate trying to turn anything the same, as in a mulitple, a matching pair!!:rolleyes:
Non-woodwork, I hate litter...endless stupid trails of it on every highway:((, then the odd deposit of bags full from a boot or ute. What the %$&^ is wrong with hanging onto it untill you find a bin, its beyond me.

Cheers,

Don't know what it's like here but in Canada I could be out in the middle of nowhere. Literally a days drive from a town of any size and and a few hours hike along a river and STILL I find McSh*t wrappers and or beer cans.

[Iain]

I think this might get moved to the Open Slather page mut here goes

Vegans
The Left of politics
Political Correctness

The fact that a Harry Potter movie on TV come with a warning about Supernatural Themes but Big Brother and other shows can openly discuss Unnatural Themes without the same warning.


Ross

You have repeated yourself four times there:D :D :D :D
but I agree wholeheartedly:2tsup:

[Carry Pine]

My old man (may he rest in peace) had a list of pet hates longer than 'Different' and oh boy we needed to know them or else.
It's really strange to notice my young bloke (26yo) has the same kind of nature. It's like twilight Zone stuff for me. Can't believe when he goes off about leaving a door slightly open -even with a screen door closed.
I have MY pet hates but I try not to take them out on others - apart from when it affects me personally.

SWMBO uses chisels for all sorts of things and after sharpening them to see them used for everything except opening paint tins - bought a $8.50 set from home hardware and have these on display. They get used every time.
Pet hates: do something about it is my suggestion. Ask Telstra, Optus, Ford Australia, *&%$#@ Kitchens, Talon Tools, Makita Online ...... they know me.

Carry Pine

[Different]

You have repeated yourself four times there:D :D :D :D
but I agree wholeheartedly:2tsup:

Iain
Just the sort of support and common sense I expect from someone who owns a Fleabitten Grey

Cheers
Ross

[AlexS]

I have two at the moment,

1. is those stupid stickers they put on every piece of wood you buy these days, and they charge so much you can't afford to cut them off and they are impossible to get of.

I hate the stickers they put on the back of every sheet of abrasive. I'm glad I now use so much that it's worthwhile buying in packs of 50 just to avoid the little b!@#$%^s.:rolleyes:

(& cheaper too.)

[soundman]

Fasteners with individual labels and bar codes, in particular masonry expansion bolts.:frustrated:
The blasteed stickers are realuy sticky and you have to take them off or they don't go in the correct size hole.:rant2:
If these were only in the chain stores I'd be happy... I don't buy fasteners there...... but the manufacturers put them on at the factory.... so even if I buy by the box at my friendly local bolt shop I still have the problem.:gaah:


Radio adds specificaly designed to sound bad & be iritating:mad3:


Any form of gartuitous or contrived cuteness used to sell a product, even worse, badly behaved or dirty children protrayed as being cute or endearing.:fit:

I simply do not understand how it is acceptable to use
Pictures of small children/ babies, on cards, posters or in advertising, naked, with no pants, in the bath, sitting in custard or large fruit & vegitables or anything of the like:wtf3:
Who the ....... thinks this is a good idea.
Print this stuff on greeting cards and make a fortune, get caught with this stuff on your hard drive & get prosecuted as a pedophile. BH I don't understand........Is this cute or is it child abuse?
:?


cheers

[mick101]

What is my pet aversion.. ?

Watching the local news the other night & the reporter referred to petrol as gas. She wasnt talking about LPG either.

[Big Shed]

What is my pet aversion.. ?

Watching the local news the other night & the reporter referred to petrol as gas. She wasnt talking about LPG either.

Just another Americanism creeping into our language:(. Television has a lot to answer for!

So much American "culture", so little local content.

To top it all, even the written language is being corrupted, how often do we see "colour" written as "color" these days (in fact the spell checker tells me that the first version is wrong!:doh:)

[soundman]

..:gaah: :aargh: :fit: Don't get me started on americanisms.
Its bad enough that we are stuck with a whole pile of wood working americanisms, due to at least half the english language woodworking material and products being american.

But basic cultural use of americanisms...:ranting2: Americanising our sporting coverage realy anoys me, its bad enough that they want to shoot all sport in closeups so you cant see the game play but ther is certainly no excuse to americanise the comentary style. we have had our own high energy comentary style for years we dont need the "shouty, low word count, no information style" the sepo's seem to favour. we most certainly do not need to use or accept terms foreign to our games. There most certainly is NO "touchdown" in any form of popular football in this country, "touchdown" is a girly term for those who need a suit of armour and a helmet to play a game of football.
Just as bad is hearing words like trunk, hood, store, mall, waitup.... & i could go on being used in australian childrens telivision and advertising:mad3:

BH it has taken us 200 years to get rid of the undesirable parts of the vicrorian english now we have this #$%@ poluting our culture.

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH:aussie5:

cheers

[Iain]

Boot Camp, horse shyte, here it was, is and always will be Rookies, sanctimonious yankee crap.
What really floored me was 'fALL', seems it was the original English reference to Autumn in the 1700's:-

[echnidna]

Dipsticks with more authority than their capabilities

[specialist]

People who leave things in front of machines and in walkways.

[TomH]

1) Dropping or knocking over something that's been sanded or finished (always lands on the front most prominant corner).
2) Knocking chisels off the bench.
3) Trying to catch above chisels when falling only to stab yourself in the hand.
4) Cutting a tenon without making allowance for the tenon.
5) Buying sufficient wood for a large project only to find out you are short, which only ever seems to happen when you are cutting the last crucial component.
6) Getting tear-out when you least expect it.
7) Smashing your finger with the hammer in the midst of a crucial gluing session, feeling the intense pain but realising due to the drying and wiping down that you can't stop the task.

[Bob38S]

When members don't acknowledge the advice given in reply to a question asked by them. They may not like the advice given but not acknowledging the effort gone in replying is a complete lack of manners and insulting.


Also those members who only come on line to ask a question and then disappear until they need another question answered. A bit of involvement and posting non questions as well as questions is what keeps this board alive.


Both of the above are my pet aversions and I consider those members leeches and I don't reply to those anymore.


Peter.

Agree with all of the above, don't think I have forgotten to reply to all of the help I have had [if I have - please put this down to senior moment, which are tending to become more frequent lately].

As for the "leeches" mentioned, I can appreciate the sentiments [which are similar to my own] but I still try and encourage/help them in the hope that they will later bring something to the table for us all to share.

Regards,
Bob

[jisk]

There most certainly is NO "touchdown" in any form of popular football in this country, "touchdown" is a girly term for those who need a suit of armour and a helmet to play a game of football.

In rugby union, a touchdown is when a player touches the ball down behind his own try line (which then results in a 22 drop out or 5 metre scrum, depending).

Of course, it could be said that rugby union isn't popular football in this country ;).

[Tex B]

Things I try to avoid the most tend to be safety related - not using pushsticks, no splitter on the table saw, big forstner bits in hand drills, that kind of thing. I've really gotten attached to my fingers and would like to keep them all.

Tex

[silentC]

Jeeps, Tex, that sentence would give a Russian conniptions...

[Tex B]

Jeeps, Tex, that sentence would give a Russian conniptions...

I'm trying very hard to avoid Americanisms here, Silent. :wink: If it's obtuse enough, I can always claim I was misunderstood.

What really gets me is trying to figure out how many board feet I can fit in the trunk and still have enough gas to get to the mall for a pop and a moon pie :D


Tex

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

Moon pie? :oo: I'm not even going to try and guess what goes into that, but I'll bet it's nowhere near what my grubby li'l imagination keeps suggesting... :D

[silentC]

Think Wagon Wheel!

[Cliff Rogers]

Is there a Rat's Ring option? :?

[rodent]

speaking of rats going to the little boys room doing your thing and finding out not only is there no paper left ,but the spare rolls are in the next room and you have your pants around you ankles .

[Chumley]

Agree with all of the above, don't think I have forgotten to reply to all of the help I have had [if I have - please put this down to senior moment, which are tending to become more frequent lately].

As for the "leeches" mentioned, I can appreciate the sentiments [which are similar to my own] but I still try and encourage/help them in the hope that they will later bring something to the table for us all to share.

Regards,
Bob

I read Sturdee's post yesterday and spent quite some time mulling it over last night - I think I agree with the basic sentiment - "Thank you" is always worth saying, and I'd always be afraid my old Mum would leap out from somewhere and hit me with a wooden spoon if I didn't say it...

However, in support of 'leeches' - perhaps some of the old-timers on this forum have forgotten what it is like to start out. I've been woodworking for 20 odd years (some of them very odd) - but being self-taught and self-motivated (and self-injured) my progress has been slow. When I found this site I felt like a pig in mud! Spent days just reading and reading -- I still limit myself to only 3 or 4 forums as there is just too much to digest. I wanted to ask a couple of questions, so I joined up and got my questions answered (and got some extra help off-line too, for which I was very grateful).

In the last few months I have posted a few replies, but not many - and here is the thing. I feel qualified to answer queries for which I have some experience, but I'm not that well experienced. I don't have any proper qualifications, am not that definite about the best ways to do things, and generally don't want to step out on a limb and suggest things that may not be 'correct'. This limits my posts.

I could submit posts about my work and my workshop, but in all honesty, with a full-time job, a part-time study load, 4 kids to taxi-drive, etc, I might only get a couple of hours a week woodworking (if that). So there's not much productivity at the moment.

Also, bear in mind that as you get more familiar with the posters you start to put character to each name (I sometimes play a game by reading the post and trying to guess who is the poster before I look at the name (Wild Dingo is the easiest!)) -- and you start to see there is some 'history' between some people. One thing I don't want to do is to 'put my foot in it' or worse, to be improperly familiar -- so there is some reluctance to jump in and state my views. I have learned over the years that the easiest thing to get and the hardest to lose is a reputation. So although I consider myself to be an ex-Lurker, I post sporadically, only when I am confident of giving good advice or an interesting point of view, perhaps less and less tentatively, but still aware of the gulf of knowledge between me and most forum members.

Cheers,
Chumley

[silentC]

I don't have any proper qualifications, am not that definite about the best ways to do things, and generally don't want to step out on a limb and suggest things that may not be 'correct'.
Nowhere in the forum rules does it say that this is mandatory!

[Waldo]

G'day,

Aversions? I've got plenty.

But I'll give two examples.

I've got two 150mm little steel rulers, you know the ones, they're very handy. I've got two so that I can always at least find one. They have their own spot in my tool cabinet which I dutifully put back after I use them.

Now one of them has gone walk-abouts. Just up and disappeared damnit. :~

The other aversion is the stuff-up fairies. :rant2:

Their latest trick, is I measure up something twice, then I turn around come back and cut the thing and it's too short. :doh: (maybe I need to use both eyes when I measure up stuff, not just one eye each time :shrug:)

[Sturdee]

I read Sturdee's post yesterday and spent quite some time mulling it over last night - I think I agree with the basic sentiment - "Thank you" is always worth saying,
Chumley

And it only need to take a greenie with the words "thanks" and you know that the effort taken to help someone is appreciated.

Incidently just before I made that post I answered a post with information on how to do it. Although another member acknowledged the help, as he also had the same problem, the original poster hasn't. Hence I wonder why I bother.:((




In the last few months I have posted a few replies, but not many - and here is the thing. I feel qualified to answer queries for which I have some experience, but I'm not that well experienced. I don't have any proper qualifications, am not that definite about the best ways to do things, and generally don't want to step out on a limb and suggest things that may not be 'correct'. This limits my posts.

Chumley

My point about leeches are those that have been members for quite some time and the only times we see them is when they need help. As soon as they have their answer they will ignore the board until they need help again. I have noticed quite a few of theese leeches.

That a member doesn't make many posts doesn't make them a leech as regular reading and participating when able is totally different. Recording your agreement or non agreement with opinion posts ( like you have just done) or participating in opinion polls we can all do and helps the board function.





I could submit posts about my work and my workshop,
Chumley

I alway enjoy watching other peoples workshops, so your post on your workshop would be greatly enjoyed.


Peter.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

Now one of them has gone walk-abouts. Just up and disappeared damnit. :~

Ahhh... I've a similar problem that I call "Little Brother Syndrome." :~ It wouldn't be so bad if he actually lived here... (Who'm I kidding? Yes it bloody-well would! :o)

[Iain]

The other aversion is the stuff-up fairies. :rant2:

Their latest trick, is I measure up something twice, then I turn around come back and cut the thing and it's too short. :doh: (maybe I need to use both eyes when I measure up stuff, not just one eye each time :shrug:)

Your problem is green wood, it's shrinking after you measure:rolleyes: :wink:

[Waldo]

Your problem is green wood, it's shrinking after you measure:rolleyes: :wink:

G'day Iain,

I knew it wasn't me. :2tsup:

[echnidna]

What your pet aversion?

Got a new one today
Dealing with DIK public servants
No satisfaction tomorrow and I'll ring the minister.

[jisk]

I read Sturdee's post yesterday and spent quite some time mulling it over last night - I think I agree with the basic sentiment - "Thank you" is always worth saying, and I'd always be afraid my old Mum would leap out from somewhere and hit me with a wooden spoon if I didn't say it...

However, in support of 'leeches' - perhaps some of the old-timers on this forum have forgotten what it is like to start out. I've been woodworking for 20 odd years (some of them very odd) - but being self-taught and self-motivated (and self-injured) my progress has been slow. When I found this site I felt like a pig in mud! Spent days just reading and reading -- I still limit myself to only 3 or 4 forums as there is just too much to digest. I wanted to ask a couple of questions, so I joined up and got my questions answered (and got some extra help off-line too, for which I was very grateful).

In the last few months I have posted a few replies, but not many - and here is the thing. I feel qualified to answer queries for which I have some experience, but I'm not that well experienced. I don't have any proper qualifications, am not that definite about the best ways to do things, and generally don't want to step out on a limb and suggest things that may not be 'correct'. This limits my posts.

I could submit posts about my work and my workshop, but in all honesty, with a full-time job, a part-time study load, 4 kids to taxi-drive, etc, I might only get a couple of hours a week woodworking (if that). So there's not much productivity at the moment.

Also, bear in mind that as you get more familiar with the posters you start to put character to each name (I sometimes play a game by reading the post and trying to guess who is the poster before I look at the name (Wild Dingo is the easiest!)) -- and you start to see there is some 'history' between some people. One thing I don't want to do is to 'put my foot in it' or worse, to be improperly familiar -- so there is some reluctance to jump in and state my views. I have learned over the years that the easiest thing to get and the hardest to lose is a reputation. So although I consider myself to be an ex-Lurker, I post sporadically, only when I am confident of giving good advice or an interesting point of view, perhaps less and less tentatively, but still aware of the gulf of knowledge between me and most forum members.

Cheers,
Chumley

Chumley, it's almost as if you read my mind. My situation is a little different to yours, but has plenty of similarities.

I'm a real newbie to woodwork - I'm only just starting for the first time - so I have loads of questions, but little advice to give. This makes me more of a "taker" than a "giver" when it comes to these forums. I always try to say thank you, and *always* read the replies people write to my questions!

I read most of the threads that pop up in the main forums, and have started to read through some of the older, classic threads (such as in "Best of the Best") - there's an amazing amount of collective wisdom available on this board.

I've read hundreds of posts from members like SilentC, Wongo, bitingmidge, Wild Dingo, Derek Cohen, etc etc, that it seems like I know you all - even though you have no idea about me.

I guess I just wanted to say "thanks" to everyone, and that while some people may seem like leeches, we don't mean to be!

James.

[Big Shed]

And it only need to take a greenie with the words "thanks" and you know that the effort taken to help someone is appreciated.

Incidently just before I made that post I answered a post with information on how to do it. Although another member acknowledged the help, as he also had the same problem, the original poster hasn't. Hence I wonder why I bother.:((

Peter.

Peter, I know how you feel, I have even gone to the trouble of emailing a complete article to someone to help with their problem, not even an acknowledgement of receipt, let alone a "thank you"

Times like that you do think "why do I bother". But then I think of all the help (and offers of help) I have received from other forum members, yourself included, and then I think "well I am only putting something back in to the forum, a thank you is a bonus".

The people that send you greenies and thank you's make up for the few ignorant ones, I'm sure.

[jisk]

The people that send you greenies and thank you's make up for the few ignorant ones, I'm sure.

Pardon my ignorance - What's a greenie?

[Sebastiaan56]

Paying $15 for a turning blank to find a nice big crack hidden right in the guts. How do they cut them that way?

Being tracked. Spam, cookies, mailing lists and all the other cyber stuff done to keep a product or service in your face. Getting off can be a real trick. Goes for ads, particularly those that get pulled around on trailers.

Pollies, all flavours. Ive yet to meet one that will declare their all to obvious self interest. I dont reckon there is a leader in the free world who doesnt want to be a war leader.

Taxes, any and all of them,

Sebastiaan

[AlexS]

Pardon my ignorance - What's a greenie?

On the left hand side of the post there are thre little symbols. Hover on the middle one an it co'e up with 'Add to this poster's reputation'. If you click on it, you can either approve of this post, which sends a greenie to the person, disapprove, which sends a reddie. You can click on your User CP to see if you've been sent a greenie or a reddie.

[Glen]

When members don't acknowledge the advice given in reply to a question asked by them. They may not like the advice given but not acknowledging the effort gone in replying is a complete lack of manners and insulting.


Also those members who only come on line to ask a question and then disappear until they need another question answered. A bit of involvement and posting non questions as well as questions is what keeps this board alive.


Peter.
I try to thank everyone that responds to my questions, but sometimes there is stuff added after I've had my question answered so I miss out on thanking them, if I haven't replied to anyone I apologise.:B As for giving advice I try if I think I have something relevant to add and as I become more experienced I'm sure I will have more to offer. This is a great forum and I've learnt heaps and sometimes it leads to thinking outside the square. :U Thanks everyone for your imput and patience. PS didn't know about greenies, but do now.:doh:

[Sturdee]

Seeing the posts of Chumley, Jisk and now Glen maybe I haven't been clear enough in my original comments about leeches.

I wasn't referring to those who are new members, I realise it takes a while to get the hang of the board and the confidence to start posting, other than questions.

I was referring to a number of members who have been here for quite a few years and only come on to ask for advice and then they disappear totally until they need us again. In between times they don't even log on and read any topics or participate where they can.

If any new member thought that I was referring to them I apologize, but I can't be too specific else the moderators will get upset.:D

Peter.

[joe greiner]

There's a special class of "new members" though, who join only to ask a specific question and then seem to disappear; indicated by "Posts: 1" in their user block for just about forever, without a single thanks. I take some satisfaction in knowing that some others who haven't asked the question derive some benefit, and some of them express gratitude.

I thought Skew's pencils were actually manufactured that way. Like the bar of soap with the concrete centre that never dissolves.

Rodent's paper problem reminds me of the following dialogue between blokes in adjacent cubicles:
"Do you have any extra paper in there?" "No, I don't."
"Do you have a newspaper?" "No."
"Do you have change for a five?" :D

Back on topic: "Expert" woodworkers on the tube who use lag screws or wood screws in end grain for a structural connection.

Joe

[soundman]

you mean like kids who want you to do their homework:~ :D

Yeh but isn't that life....there are those who want to share and be part of a community..... and there are those who only get involved in stuff for their own benifit.

interestingly it very rarely a proper woodworker ( an enthusiast ) that is ungratefull.

Most people I have met on this board are nice people, some of them are a bit weird, others I wouldn't want to spend a lot of time with, But I don't think I have come across a proper woodworker who was a true @&$% hole.

There is something about wood.....does it influence the mind for the better or does it just attract better people.

speaking of being gratefull..
Neil.. has anybody TOLD you today............ thanks for the board.

cheers

[journeyman Mick]

............Most people I have met on this board are nice people, some of them are a bit weird,..............

:B :B :B :D

Mick

[RufflyRustic]

Right there with you Mick :D :doh: :U

[Toolin Around]

But I don't think I have come across a proper woodworker who was a true @&$% hole.



Sound like a challenge :D

[soundman]

Ah well Mick we all have our own personal weirdness:; ...... with some it is obvious, others it isn't...........then there are those who are wierd because they seem to be devoid of all weirdness.:?

Mat it was more an observation than a chalenge.
But I find it difficult to believe that there would be too many who cared about what they do & couldnt give a $#@T about others.

cheers

[HappyHammer]

Hamsters......I hate them.

HH.

[soundman]

I was waiting for that.........rats & mice kept as pets.... for that matter any form of rodent kept in the house..... especialy siberian hamster....... tis rat..... no, no, tis hamster.
Interestingly guenea pigs were usualy ket in the yard arround here.....probaly because they were originaly kept as live stock aparantly they are very tasty.

cheers

[jisk]

I keep my mice in the shed, where I feed them peanut butter attached to a mousetrap to amuse myself.

[Honorary Bloke]

.. Don't get me started on americanisms.
Its bad enough that we are stuck with a whole pile of wood working americanisms, due to at least half the english language woodworking material and products being american.

At least half, possibly more. :D

. we have had our own high energy comentary style for years we dont need the "shouty, low word count, no information style" the sepo's seem to favour.

Two p's in Seppo. Shouty low word content doesn't sound familiar. Our lot talk incessantly.

we most certainly do not need to use or accept terms foreign to our games. There most certainly is NO "touchdown" in any form of popular football in this country,

More's the pity. Anyone who can score points when they miss a goal should not complain. :rolleyes:

"touchdown" is a girly term for those who need a suit of armour and a helmet to play a game of football.

No argument there.


Just as bad is hearing words like trunk,

An elephant's proboscis.

hood,

a common thug

store,

Save up for the future.


mall,

A pleasant greensward for walking.

waitup

I have no idea what this means. Can't be an Americanism.


.... & i could go on being used in australian childrens telivision and advertising

BH it has taken us 200 years to get rid of the undesirable parts of the vicrorian english now we have this #$%@ poluting our culture.

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH:aussie5:

cheers

Go on Soundie, tell us how you really feel. :D :D

[Iain]

Note the reference to Victorian English, Queensland English includes some 'foreign' words of antiquity, such as 'port', this used to confuse me until I found out it was a suitcase:D
Or was the Victorian reference to an era rather than a State:rolleyes:

[Groggy]

Fact is that English is comprised of snippets of other languages from all over the world and the dictionaries expand by hundreds of words per year. It's just a big melting pot. I wonder what the poms think about our bastardisation of 'their' language?

[soundman]

Note the reference to Victorian English, Queensland English includes some 'foreign' words of antiquity, such as 'port', this used to confuse me until I found out it was a suitcase:D
Or was the Victorian reference to an era rather than a State:rolleyes:

A "port" is indeed the one time term of preference for a semi rigid container for carrying stuff in when you were going somwhere.
Seeing it is mostly too hot to wear a suit in Queensland, the native residents here have ver little use for a case for containing such things.
"Port" is in fact a shortening of a much longer word that escapes me at the moment.

[QUOTE I wonder what the poms think about our bastardisation of 'their' language?"[/QUOTE]

Who cares:D they probaly don't...... the fact is english as spoken in australia is probaly closer to the real thing than that spoken in many parts of the UK.


I have no problem with American culture, American television & even American sport........In America thats fine..... but I'd like to see a bit less of it here.......What realy annoys me is that our media exectutives are so unemaginative, short sighted and lazy...... oH tight too.
That they would rather recycle overseas content and styles rather than support local material and styles.
A clasic example is " Myth Busters"......an Australian idea, produced by an Australian company, but the Australian executives wouldn't support it.


It gets so bad some nights that it is imposible to find a localy produced programe in prime time except for the news.
Don't get me started on the narrowness of the style of content thats another thing all together.


cheers

[Driver]

"Port" is in fact a shortening of a much longer word that escapes me at the moment.


"Portmanteau" - it's French! :oo: For handbag! :oo: :oo:

Moving away from the language debate for a moment - my current pet aversion:

Dickhead drivers who tailgate (is that an Americanism?:oo: ) at 100 kph-plus on the freeways in heavy rain. No kidding - driving to work this week at 5.30 am - pitch black, p1ssing down, and I was overtaken by a small convoy of about 10 nitwits travelling less than a car length apart at something like 120 kph. If the bloke in front had coughed, the whole bloody crew would have wiped themselves out.

[Iain]

"Port" is in fact a shortening of a much longer word that escapes me at the moment.


Portmantau, or something similar.............

[Groggy]

"Port" is in fact a shortening of a much longer word that escapes me at the moment.

I think it is "portmanteau" or similar.


I wonder what the poms think about our bastardisation of 'their' language?"

Who cares:D they probaly don't...... the fact is english as spoken in australia is probaly closer to the real thing than that spoken in many parts of the UK.

English always evolves and that was kind of my point. It can't really evolve in a wrong direction because there has never been a right one. It has always reflected major influences, whether they be war or modern media.

......What realy annoys me is that our media exectutives are so unemaginative, short sighted and lazy...... oH tight too.

You left a lot of the bad stuff out but I agree :wink: Vain, self absorbed people in positions of influence have rarely done any good.


It gets so bad some nights that it is imposible to find a localy produced programe in prime time except for the news.

You still watch TV?

Don't get me started on the narrowness of the style of content thats another thing all together.

Ayup

[Iain]

An old friend of mine told me about a state/region in the USA where the inhabitants still speak English as they did in the days of early settlement(Mayflower etc), I can't recall where it is but it is pretty remote and probably pretty inbred by now.

[soundman]

You still watch TV?

Yep sometimes:D you cant miss mythbusters and top gear:D

do you think I got 4000 post up in 5 years by watching TV?:no:

cheers

[Driver]

English always evolves and that was kind of my point. It can't really evolve in a wrong direction because there has never been a right one. It has always reflected major influences, whether they be war or modern media.

Spot on, Groggy. English has been in a constant state of evolution for centuries. Anyone who thinks there is some form of 'pure' English is kidding themselves. Even in England (actually, on reflection, especially in England) there are literally hundreds of accents and dialects within the language. Some of them quite unintelligible to people from outside small regional locations.

The other important point, of course, is that English isn't owned by the English. It's been a worldwide language for a very long time.

[Chris Parks]

My favorite hate? People who use those front and rear fog lights when the is no B*****y fog. I feel like getting out of the car at traffic lights and smashing them. Also people who do not thank for a favour done. There are some of us here who have a little exchange system going and it works because we acknowledge the favour with one of our own. This is just common courtesy which sadly seems to be dying.

[Cliff Rogers]

I like the fog lights on country roads, the help show up the pot holes. :2tsup:

[Groggy]

My favorite hate? People who use those front and rear fog lights when the is no B*****y fog. I feel like getting out of the car at traffic lights and smashing them. Amen! A lot of these people think they are driving lights and don't realise it actually REDUCES your night vision because it puts a high intensity spot close to the car, reducing your depth vision.

[Toolin Around]

Peter, I know how you feel, I have even gone to the trouble of emailing a complete article to someone to help with their problem, not even an acknowledgment of receipt, let alone a "thank you"

Times like that you do think "why do I bother". But then I think of all the help (and offers of help) I have received from other forum members, yourself included, and then I think "well I am only putting something back in to the forum, a thank you is a bonus".

The people that send you greenies and thank you's make up for the few ignorant ones, I'm sure.

The "why do I bother" thought is the enemy of forums like this. It kills the free exchange spirit that brought us together in the first place.

95% of the time I have no idea who I've responded to. I only read the body of the message and pay little attention to who it is. Not necessarily a very personal approach, but hard to hold a grudge if you can't remember who to hold a grudge against... In the past I used to remember those I didn't care for but ultimately it's a waste of time and energy. I have far too many negative thoughts in my head now and don't want to add to them.

You also have to remember that this is a very impersonal place to converse with others. Essentially all you're doing is responding to a computer screen. If you're like me and are a social retard under normal in person situations it's most likely that you're online etiquette is less perfect. The way I see it, it's impossible to know the sincerity or motivation of others here and will default to simply not making judgments.

[Bob38S]

My favorite hate? People who use those front and rear fog lights when the is no B*****y fog. I feel like getting out of the car at traffic lights and smashing them. .....

I've got extra front lights set low into the bumper [Falcon XR6] but these are not fog lights - fog lights on the front of a car are yellow - they are an extra driving light which does fill in under the main beams and does help on our "fantastic country roads" :roll: . I don't have a problem with people using them and don't find them a hinderance when coming towards me.

Now, if you are talking real driving lights - I used to run 2 Cibe Oscars on an alloy bull bar - these would sunburn the neck of the driver in front at 400 metres if you were so inclined - but most of us country types would never do that - the only time that appears to happen is when the "Queen Street Tractors" venture out of the city.

The rear fog light, as I understand it, is actually an extra bright red light which should make the car in front able to be seen in poor light conditions and should not be used unless necessary - I'm led to believe that they have been eliminated from many imports as not being necessary in Australia.

[Chris Parks]

The lights under the front bar get the generic term of foglights and I still hate them, no matter what they are called. I too live and travel in the bush and I just don't get the need. As for driving lights I have two Super Oscars and two Hella 1357's. Daylight on high beam with the 130 watt headlights.

[MurrayD99]

The rear fog light, as I understand it, is actually an extra bright red light which should make the car in front able to be seen in poor light conditions and should not be used unless necessary - I'm led to believe that they have been eliminated from many imports as not being necessary in Australia.


You are correct. A single red light on the right hand cluster controlled by a switch on the dash that many idiots seems unable to locate to switch the thing off when there is no fog. They are mandatory in England - maybe Europe too. It is an offence not to use them I recall. Actually, not a bad idea, provided they aren't left bloody on!

[Capt. Zero]

Couldn't help but respond to those who hate americanisms. America is composed of two continents, north and south, containing dozens of countries and languages. But I must say, I'm getting truly sick of the ever creeping influences of Ecuadorean styles into our sentence structures. And what about those Bolivians with their namby pamby shoes...or were you perhaps refering to the Costa Ricans?




I think we all need to realize that we are at a cusp in socialogical history. I'm certain that the ultimate influence of the web and mass media into international language, culture, styles , ect. cannot even be guessed at presently. When I consider the changes wrought, just in my lifetime, by first radio (yes I can remember our first TV(Dang I'm getting too old!)) then television, I can only imagine what will come to pass.
Unfortunately, those cultures with the loudest (I don't necessarily mean better) voice will be heard and repeated the most.

[silentC]

America is composed of two continents, north and south
Try and explain that to a Canadian after they've ripped your head off for calling them an American :p

What you have to understand is that traditonally our culture has been derived from the poms and we associate with it intellectuality, morality, polite manners, and correct speech. However in the last couple of decades, chiefly through the mediums of television and Hollywood, we have seen a general move away from this towards the cultural output of the US. Personally, I'm sorry to say, I regard this as a bad thing because attention seeking idiots and gang members seem to have become our idols.

I know there is more depth to American culture than B-list celebs and rappers but for some reason you seem to be very good at exporting them to the detriment of the rest of the world. I know the answer is to switch off the TV, which is the course that I take. But it's like Pandora's box and once opened it cannot be closed.

Thank god we can get Yes Minister and Blackadder on DVD. :)

[Capt. Zero]

Just understand, mass media, or for that matter mass anything, panders to the lowest comon denominator. Sweeping generalizations are devisive and play into that same denominator. If you don't care for the present media in the US, imagine what it's like surrounded by it here. I stopped watching almost all TV years ago (I must admit to an addiction to one weekly PBS program) and only listen to shortwave and Pacifica radio broadcasts. What I was trying to say is that media is now truly global and eventually cultural distinctions will become only quaint color used to describe ourselves (much like when I tell people I'm Cajun American). We will all be eating the same things, speaking the same language, wearing the same clothes made by the same sweatshop worker, and the only truly unique things in any of our lives will be that which we create ourselves.
I have watched this happen during my lifetime here, seen it spread to Canada, and am seeing it happen in Mexico now. It's just a matter of time.
:C

[silentC]

Yet on a microcosmic level, I was just considering today how people make big differences out of small things. For example, a girl who I played in a band with last year, but left due to other commitments, is promoting her new band in the local paper. She describes herself as local born and bred and you often hear her speaking of this as though it makes her somehow special. Don't get me wrong, it's good to be proud of where you came from, but there is a group of people here, and she is one of them, who implies by this that she is somehow better than other people who have come to the area. In fact, they are the ones who have chosen to live here, whereas she had no choice in it at all.

So my point is that even though you will get the blurring you are speaking of, you are always going to have people who "where here first" or "did it first". I think that we as a race will always find ways to differentiate ourselves from others. We are tribal by nature.

[Capt. Zero]

As I said, quaint color. An accent, perhaps some ethnic cuisine, but in a meaningful social context...no substansive difference.

[silentC]

no substansive difference
Hmm, I don't know about that. I can't imagine a world where people couldn't manage to find enough differences between themselves and others to start a war over...

We don't all have access to the Internet and a free media and the way things are going, do you really think that's likely to change? What you say may be true for "the West" but we only make up a fraction of the global population.

[Capt. Zero]

Good point. Of course over here we seem to be able to create reasons to start wars when no good reason exists. Realize that the same powers who benifit from our eating Mcgarbage and wearing Tomy Gofigure also benifit from creating chaos where order would cut into the bottom line.

As an aside, I think we need to start a new thread on this topic.
Also, I'm on the other side of this rock and tis much past the witching hour and my kettle needs another eft eye and a good stir. In the morrow.:wink:




"Oh my god, it's me under this car...and I don't look at all well."
Rocky Rococo

[soundman]

I think something needs to be clarified here.
We don't dislike americans generaly, just some of them and the popular culture associated with them........& I supose ther are plenty of americans that feel exactly the same.

But conside if you will the entire american braodcasting system being taken over by Steve Irwin, Paul Hogan, russel Crowe and a consortium of the less couth mates. The result being that 60% of you commercial television and radio was filled with, Crikey:o , strewth:; , crack us a tube mate, where the blody hell are you and such like.
and you have some idea what it is like here, that isn't what we talk like or look like but of a lot of the world thinks we do.

Yeh mate we understand you don't like it either..... but hey thats what we 've got.

Thats problay why we are interested in wood work......neither the wood or the tools care what you look or sound like... hey they don't even care what you call them.

cheers

hey noboody has paid out on the kiwi's or the french or the poms yet.:q

[Honorary Bloke]

But conside if you will the entire american braodcasting system being taken over by Steve Irwin, Paul Hogan, russel Crowe and a consortium of the less couth mates.

A truly frightening thought. :oo: :oo: We would think it cute for about 2 days, then the sh*t would start!

So why, if I may be so bold as to inquire, do not the Australian TV folks produce more local content? Too expensive? Too risky? :?

[echnidna]

footy shows are cheaper to make

[soundman]

your guess is as good as mine.
its problay cheaper and easier to buy stale old rope from overseas.:~

cheers