Alternate Reality - Tablesaw ga ga

[silentC]

The last few days I've felt like I've entered an alternate reality.

People are questioning how useful a tablesaw is, and I've even read a claim that they are limited! Well, isn't everything limited? But I'm flabbergasted.

I've had access to a tablesaw since I was a teenager. For some tasks, I couldn't imagine using anything else. I mean, sure you can rip on a bandsaw but it must be mind-numbingly slow. And then you probably have to joint it before you can run it through the thicknesser. And the blades heat up after a few minutes and start to drift and the guides wear out and go out of adjustment. Why would you bother?

And having to set up the router and do multiple passes just to cut a rebate? Why on earth when you can do it in two passes on the tablesaw? Set the fence, run the board through - hell, run a hundred boards through, set the fence and run it through again. Simple and you have a useful strip of timber to use for something else instead of a pile of sawdust on the floor and up your nose.

Cutting tenons with a router? What a fiddly pain in the butt that must be. All I need is my mitre gauge and I can cut tenons with a single setup. No jigs, no clamping and unclamping and frigging around. Or set up the tenoning jig and it's even quicker.

Ripping with an Ezy Guide or whatever? More fiddly mucking about. And you want limited? How do you rip a 4 metre board with one of them? How do you rip a 90mm board into 20mm strips with it?

Nah, give me my tablesaw any day. You people enjoy your freaky jigged up alternate reality, I'm happy here in mine :p

:)

[TassieKiwi]

Hear hear Mr C. I was all ready to buy one at the Hobart WWW show - until the wife's car blew up.:(( Maybe later. I'd been slightly swayed by the Festoolers towards the darkgreen side, but I cannot go past the fact that a big spinny blade on a big, flat, square metal table is a must in my shop.

[silentC]

Yeah stay away from those little strap on power tool solutions.

Nothing says "impressive workshop" like a nice big cabinet saw in the middle of the shed. It's certainly the first thing people notice when they walk into mine :wink:

[Bleedin Thumb]

Yeah stay away from those little strap on power tool solutions.

Nothing says "impressive workshop" like a nice big cabinet saw in the middle of the shed. It's certainly the first thing people notice when they walk into mine :wink:


The first thing people notice when the walk into mine is the big first aid kit on the wall with bloody fingerprints all over.:)

I must agree with you about the strap on versions, after a while you become very aware of their limitations, although their portability is a plus for me, as my shed is so crowded I have to take it outside when I use it.
I have never owned a bandsaw so don't know what I'm missing out on - but I could never live without a TS even if its orange.:p Probably because I'm a tight ass that doesn't buy timber, I just rip down old salvaged stuff.

[Lignum]

I would use my Jet Super Saw once maybe twice a week at most.

[silentC]

Well you should give it to someone more deserving then.

But seriously, what is it about the way you work that renders it useless? I suppose everything you build now uses floating tenons. What about ripping. Do you really rip everything on the bandsaw? How do you find that?

[tameriska]

The first thing people notice when the walk into mine is the big first aid kit on the wall with bloody fingerprints all over.:)

:C :C :C


I have yet to put the blade back in my tablesaw (and to work out all the adjustments), but it is most definately a keeper in my shed.

Bleeding Thumb, Hopefully I don't end up with the same artwork :(( eeek

[Barry_White]

Even a Triton 2000 is better for straight cuts than a bandsaw.

50 years ago when I was an apprentice pattermaker the table saw was for nice straight cuts and bandsaws where for nice curved cuts, that hasn't changed in the last 50 years or so.

I would love a nice tablesaw but the Triton gets me out of trouble at the moment.

[NewLou]

:p
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Ripping with an Ezy Guide or whatever? More fiddly mucking about. And you want limited? How do you rip a 4 metre board with one of them? How do you rip a 90mm board into 20mm strips with it?

Nah, give me my tablesaw any day. You people enjoy your freaky jigged up alternate reality, I'm happy here in mine
:)

I can Rip 200inches on my EZ Smartguide in 10mm strips without fear of kickback repeatedly n accurately faster than you could on your tablesaw.

I can cut full size sheet goods to any spec faster than you can on you tablesaw all this with an EZ Smartguide

All this with 1 person no help and a lot less experience than you and your tablesaw at 1/4 the setup costs...............my reality sounds better already:p

http://www.eurekazone.com/
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/forumdisplay.php?f=26

[outback]

I don't have a real tablesaw, just a strap on, I don't have a bandsaw of any type. Given space and dollars I'd love to make a decision on which TS I'd buy. A bandsaw is hardly on the radar in any form.

[silentC]

faster than you could on your tablesaw
Bet you can't. You have to move it each time. I set the fence once and rip away.


I can cut full size sheet goods to any spec faster than you can on you tablesaw
Bet you can't. I can rip a 2400 sheet in a matter of seconds. And then another one and another one. I set the fence once. No clamping a silly jig to the sheet and then mucking about with a hand held saw, just pick the sheet up and shove it through.

How would you rip a 90mm board into 20mm strips with it?

I'll ask again, have you ever used a tablesaw?

[Barry_White]

I'll ask again, have you ever used a tablesaw?

Sic him Rex

[Barry_White]

:p

I can Rip 200inches on my EZ Smartguide in 10mm strips without fear of kickback repeatedly n accurately faster than you could on your tablesaw.

I can cut full size sheet goods to any spec faster than you can on you tablesaw all this with an EZ Smartguide

All this with 1 person no help and a lot less experience then you and you tablesaw at 1/4 the setup costs...............my reality sounds better already:p

http://www.eurekazone.com/
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/forumdisplay.php?f=26

They are pretty bold statements Lou.

[silentC]

I'm just curious, he seemed pretty keen to buy one yesterday, now they are slow and dangerous and you don't need one if you have the EZ whizz bang thing.

[Barry_White]

I thought it was every woodworkers dream to have a table saw, even the darksiders.

[Lignum]

But seriously, what is it about the way you work that renders it useless? I suppose everything you build now uses floating tenons. What about ripping. Do you really rip everything on the bandsaw? How do you find that?

In the months since the Frontline Band Saw jig, the TS 75 and guide rails (and hopefully not to far away the EZ Bridge) have entered my life, the Jet has not by choice been neglected, but it seems everything i do i automaticly go straight to the others for just about everything i need. Their so quick and simple with perfect results. Ripping, if its under 1.5 i use BandSaw/Frontline jig, over that i use TS75 and guide.

That combination is similar in price to a good table saw (but you still need a decent Band saw) so its six of one, half doz of the other.

A good well tuned table saw is almost essential in a workshop but lately im realy enjoying a different way of doing things, not to mention for the first time for me the ability in a small shop to be able to rip and cross cut very large table tops perfectly square in minutes. Even if i had a whopper panell saw a 3600 x 1100 x 38 top would have been totaly out of the question by my self and a struggle with someones help. But i got by for years and years with just a table saw so its impossible to knock them as they are fantastic :)

[Lignum]

:p


I can cut full size sheet goods to any spec faster than you can on you tablesaw all this with an EZ Smartguide



Totaly agree. I could cut full size sheet goods to any spec faster than someone on a 30 thousand rip snorter panell saw with the TS 75 and guide rails, and with zero tearout on both sides

[edit- but their dose come a point as they get smaller the panell saw gets faster. And their is no clamping of the TS guide rails as they have a non slip base]

[silentC]

I thought it was every woodworkers dream to have a table saw, even the darksiders.
Hence the thread...

I shouldn't be so derogatory towards the EZ guide et al. I actually use a poor man version of it often. It's a bit hard to crosscut an 8x4 sheet on the tablesaw, although I have done it. It depends on the sizes you're talking about.

I simply deny the claim that clamping any kind of guide rail to the sheet and then pushing a circular saw along it is faster than the same operation on a tablesaw. And if you have to do multiple cuts, there's just no way it is quicker. By the time you have detached your guide from the sheet and reattached it to the next one, I'm already onto the thrid sheet.

I'm sure they are fantastic and for people with limited space can even stand in for a decent tablesaw. In the perfect world, I would have both because sometimes taking the saw to the job is the best way.

[NewLou]

Silent

I'm willing to do a Video of me Cutting 3 Full length boards 3200 * 2400 Faster than you can ..................so all can seein real life video

you interested .............your table saw vs my smartguide???

:D:D:D

[silentC]

Totaly agree. I could cut full size sheet goods to any spec faster than someone on a 30 thousand rip snorter panell saw with the TS 75 and guide rails, and with zero tearout on both sides
OK, maybe I'm labouring under a misapprehension. How long does it take you to mark the dimension, fix the guide rails to a 2400 sheet, make the cut and then remove it?

Are you really telling me it is quicker to do that than it is to set the fence on a saw and run the sheet through it?

[silentC]

Silent

I'm willing to do a Video of me Cutting 3 Full length boards 3200 * 2400 Faster than you can ..................so all can seein real life video

you interested .............your table saw vs my smartguide???

:D:D:D
I don't have a video camera, but don't let that stop you, I'd be interested to see it.

[NewLou]

Your the one with all the answers

I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is ....................... are you?

come on it would be fun......................looser has to mail order a cartoon of grog to the winner

Am I sensing your not willing to put your money where that mouth of your is?

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[silentC]

Don't have a video camera.

Anyway, I've cottoned on to your little trick. You can cut 3 sheets at a time, am I right?

[NewLou]

I'm sure someone will lend you one Silent

Interested?

[silentC]

Plus you still haven't told me how you would use it to rip a narrow board, say 90mm, into 20mm strips? I spent a bit of time doing that on the weekend.

Don't be a smart asre, I'm willing to learn...

[NewLou]

I'll just post you a Pic I did for lefty

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=13045

N by the way I have used a Table saw most recently on some sheet goods for an office fit out I'm doing at the moment..............

REgards Lou

[Lignum]

OK, maybe I'm labouring under a misapprehension. How long does it take you to mark the dimension, fix the guide rails to a 2400 sheet, make the cut and then remove it?

Are you really telling me it is quicker to do that than it is to set the fence on a saw and run the sheet through it?


It comes down to Cabinet saw V Panel saw. I would assume the vast majority of woodworkers would have a Cabinet saw like i do, and the minority would have a panel saw capable of a full sheet.

Wrestling a 2.4 x 1.2 sheet onto your saw to rip isnt easy:no: Plus you need to rip a straight edge first. That means you need 1.2 rip capacity to start with. I just plonk a full sheet straight onto my workbench and sit the non slip guide straight on and cut. 1 or 2 minutes and its all over. The time it takes to pencil your marks and sit the guide on and cut would be in my oppinion the same or slightly quicker than repositioning your fence from the straight edge cut then manovering the full sheet into possition then cutting.

Also the EZ Guide has a small add on that has a U shaped thickness guide for strips that the saw blade goes in between for ultra fast identical ripping of strips

[NewLou]

Also with large sheet goods no markout required just use a story stick n off you go .................super fast super easy for a 1 man shop setup

Is a great system

REgards lou

[silentC]

Hmm, non slip huh? How does that work? Is it just rubber feet or similar? Is there no way it can move in the middle of the cut?

I think we are getting into very specific tasks here and yes, I can see that a guide system might excel in some of them. Like I said, I use one myself sometimes.

I can safely say I've never ripped a straight edge first on a sheet of ply. If the machine cut edge was dodgy, I'd rip to slightly over size first and then flip and rip again, rather than trying to rip at 1200 (can't do that on my saw anyway). Haven't come across one that wasn't straight, yet anyway.

For wavy edge boards, I either ping a line and cut it off on the bandsaw, then joint, or just joint, then rip on the tablesaw. If it's wide enough, you can use a guide. I used to cut stair stringers that way.

The point of all this is not whether EZ thingy or the Festo one are any good, I just find it strange that people are actually questioning the usefulness of a tablesaw.

I still think overall I'd rather be with the tablesaw than without.

[Wongo]

Take my tablesaw away now and I will give up woodwork all together. I have a good bandsaw, a number of routers and a lot of jigs too. But please don’t take my tablesaw away.

[silentC]

I'll just post you a Pic I did for lefty
Which picture am I meant to be looking at?

OK, let's break it down. Here's how I understand your process:

1. Pick up the sheet and lay it on your cutting table
2. Mark your cut (or cut your storey stick)
3. Assemble the guide rail (it's in short lengths, is it not?)
4. Position and clamp it to the sheet
5. Attach the saw
6. Make the cut
7. Unclamp the guide

Repeat.

Is that right? Now you didn't answer me, but when you brag about being able to do it faster than you could on a tablesaw, are you actually cutting more than one sheet at a time? If so, then you would definitely have an edge, speed wise. But how would you go with lots of different sizes? Do you still think it would be quicker?

If not, then time yourself from start to finish (be honest) and I will do the same. I can't be bothered with videos etc but if you really think it's quicker, then lets try it. I don't think having a race with powertools and tablesaws is a great idea.

I still want to know how you would cut a narrow board into strips.

[NewLou]

I still think overall I'd rather be with the tablesaw than without.

I totally agree BUT the Samartguide n learning how to use a BAndsaw properly gets you by till the great day of the TS purchase arrives

I still want a TS that hasent changed............................& one day I will have one!

REGards Lou:)

[silentC]

That's wonderful for you mate, but I'd still like you to answer my questions because I'm trying to understand how you reckon it's so much faster than a tablesaw.

[NewLou]

Eeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr

Silent that post is a long time ago...................N I think around the second time I ever used the Smartguide.

I'll assure you that I am very fast n proficient with it these days n have a 'system' that I have developed over the years since its purchase.

Go to the EurekaZone Website It'll answer all you questions YOu had an opportunity to take me on.........................IT WAS YOU THAT BACKED DOWN

Nuff said

[Lignum]

That's wonderful for you mate, but I'd still like you to answer my questions because I'm trying to understand how you reckon it's so much faster than a tablesaw.

OK, let's break it down. Here's how I understand your process:

1. Pick up the sheet and lay it on your cutting table Easier than wrestling it onto a saw bench by yourself

2. Mark your cut (or cut your storey stick) Just as quick as adjusting your fence measurment

3. Assemble the guide rail (it's in short lengths, is it not?) 1 long length

4. Position and clamp it to the sheet No clamps it has a non stick base

5. Attach the saw it just sits on, takes 2 seconds

6. Make the cut So much quicker to push a saw on a guide than pushing a sheet along a fence (and holding it againsed so theirs no wondering) and with out a decent outfeed table you have 2 boards to manage by your self

7. Unclamp the guide no clamps dont forget, its a non slip surface under the guide rail

[silentC]

Eeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr
You're not making any sense.


Silent that post is a long time ago
You posted the link to it, I assumed I was meant to look at something in it?

Why can't you answer the questions? Like I said, don't be a smart asre, I'm willing to learn. Help me to understand.

Why can't you do what I asked? It's easier than setting up video cameras. Just go and time yourself, honestly, and I'll do the same. Rip one 2400 sheet to say 600mm wide. I'll start timing from when I bring the sheet down from the rack and lean it against the wall, you do the same. I'll do it now if you want.

[NewLou]

TI'm trying to understand how you reckon it's so much faster than a tablesaw.

Thats not what I'm saying Silent I'm saying that

I can cut three 3200 * 2400 Sheet goods faster than YOU :p

Once again if you'd like to learn about the system go to Dino's site

[silentC]

Why 3? Why not 4 or 6 or 8? What's the magical number 3?

Don't worry, I already know, even though you wont admit it.

[NewLou]

We can go 6 if you like

[silentC]

No clamps it has a non stick base
I know what you meant. BTW that one was directed at Lou. I think his gadget clamps, does it not?

I don't have any particular difficulty cutting sheets by myself. I'm over 6', so I can pick them up easily. I don't have any trouble holding them against the fence, I have an outfeed table.

The only time I have trouble is if I have to cross cut, by which I mean cutting the short side of a rectangle. It is not that great an idea to try and do this with a rip fence. I make a judgement call on that. Sometimes I clamp a fence and use the circular saw, sometimes I use a crosscut sled.

[silentC]

We can go 6 if you like
I reckon 6 would be a line call mate. What about 3 of all different sizes?

[NewLou]

too easy

are you up for the challenge Silent>???

The great Video Stand off !!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[silentC]

Go and time yourself...

(I nearly said something else)

[NewLou]

Boring

Twice in one day Silent.........................anyway take it easy huh

Regards Lou:wink::p:p

[silentC]

hmmm, I just read your post properly (must stop doing that) 3200 * 2400 huh? Don't even know where I would get sheets that size here and I certainly wouldn't try cutting them on a tablesaw. Biggest I have got is 2400x1200.

[TassieKiwi]

Look at John Lucas' site, as the quite nice Jessica cuts thin bits of wood with the TS75.........

http://www.woodshopdemos.com/fes-sc-1.htm

[Lignum]

At the end of the day it dosnt realy matter as both do a good job and a table saw has and always will be the heart of the majority of shops.

I make tables and the Jet dosnt handle 2400 x 1000 (and bigger) table tops that well, but the TS75 eats them for breaky. Also ripping the edges of boards to join tops together is another thing that the EZ and TS75 handles 100 times easier (except a decent length slider) than a Jointer with such simple ease. I would love a Felder or Altendorf but dont have the money or space so the TS75 is for me the perfect poor mans quality alternative.

[silentC]

OK, so you have to have another board next to it of the same thickness. What if you haven't got one? Is this really practical for larger scale operations? I had to cut 50 metres of 90mm board down to 75. Boards varied in length from 1.2 to 4.2. How would I get on doing that?

[TassieKiwi]

I would say that the TS is more suited to ripping thin stock. Sure you can use Jessica's method and get a result, but why not whack it through the TS?
Lig - I trimmed my table ends with a flush cut bit on the router, and a straightedge.

[silentC]

100 times easier (except a decent length slider) than a Jointer
'e's avin a go at jointers now! Oy, give jointers a chance!!

100 times easier? That seems like a lot.

Mate, if you get rid of all the stationary machines in my shed, I'll have nothing to rest my tools on...

[martrix]

Interesting reading.

I have worked in Shopfitting machine shops where they pump out a lot of board product. Have used digital Altendorfs that can rip a 3600mm sheet on the sliding table(I think, cant remember for sure).

They also had a beam Saw which is much faster and easier to chop up 12' x 6' boards.

I'm wondering if the these guide systems were based on the Beam Saw concept? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_FNpwuZUk)

[silentC]

Similar concept, but I reckon the guides are just a whizz bang version of clamping a straight edge to a sheet.

I've actually got an old Black & Decker guide system. Has to be 20 years old. i got it from the tip. It's only about 900 long. I used it once but it was a bit fiddly to set up. Much quicker to just clamp a straight edge.

[Lignum]

'e's avin a go at jointers now! Oy, give jointers a chance!!


:D No way :D I love my 8" Jet and couldnt go with out it.

But if you were to join 2mt plus boards for tables how easy is it to get them perfectly straight (by yourself) on a Jointer? 2.4:oo: 3mt:oo::oo: forget it. The majority of cabinet shops do it on the slider and thats the 1 thing wrong with a Cabinet saw:( But using the guide is super fast and accurate even for a fesfool like myself.

And i have no idea why the powers to be banned Flowboy for life. He wasnt that bad. Just liked to speak his mind. Sad and over moderated

[TassieKiwi]

Don't you mean 'whi$$ bang'?

[RETIRED]

Keep it nice and take it easy.

[silentC]

Keep it nice and take it easy.
I thought you'd be one of the ones to say you don't need a tablesaw :wink:


But if you were to join 2mt plus boards for tables how easy is it to get them perfectly straight (by yourself) on a Jointer?
Well, I guess it's a little hard on a jointer with a short table (mine is 110cm). But I do it regularly. Those 90mm boards I ripped recently needed to be straightened first and some of them were 4 metres long. I guess they may not have been perfectly straight, but straight enough for my purposes.

We used to regularly edge joint staircase stringers that could be up to 3 to 4 metres long and if they weren't straight, we would know about it pretty quick. Granted that was a two man job, but only because they were heavy mongrels.

But, yes I can see that these little guide system things could make life easier for a one man show. I guess I just haven't really found myself wanting one - that would usually come if you were regularly doing something that annoyed you enough to want to find a better way.

[Wongo]

What the hell? Boys, you all want a tablesaw and you know it. If you can’t afford a good one then get a Triton for goodness’ sake.:D

:oo: Did I just recommend the Triton? No no I will take it back.:D Stick to your clever jigs for now and start saving.:D

:2tsup:

[Wongo]

Look at this little beauty. How can you resist?

http://www.woodcraft.com/images/family/web4524big.jpg

[silentC]

Looks like a toy. This is a tablesaw:

http://www.carbatec.com.au/store/images/hires/TSC-10HB.jpg

[Wongo]

Rubbish.

[silentC]

OK, it looks like rubbish.

Is that what you meant? :D

[Andy Mac]

I find the tablesaw is definitely the most versatile machine!
What about cove cutting? I can't live without a tablesaw, (rebates, grooves, dadoes, anything that's not stopped, then its a router), and mostly use the bandsaw for curved cuts and a bit of resawing. Large sheets now go into the sliding tablesaw, but before that I'd use a handsaw even, as I have a particular aversion to handheld circular saws!

Cheers,

[silentC]

I find the tablesaw is definitely the most versatile machine!
This is what I'm on about! Yes, versatile is the word I'm after. I got sidetracked by Lou and his EZ whatsit.

Limited!! Pffft :p

[TassieKiwi]

The Jessica of the tablesaw world.....:p

[silentC]

Where does he get all those girls from, anyway?

[Bleedin Thumb]

Sorry to interrupt, sort of off topic as well but when I'm trying to rip a length of board on the table saw... well OK the Triton pretend TS I find that the board wants to drift away from the fence towards the blade.

Am I doing something fundamentally wrong or is it a common occurrence?
How do you correct this?

[silentC]

Am I doing something fundamentally wrong or is it a common occurrence?
Unfortunately both :)

Either your fence is out of alignment, or the saw is. Check the saw first. I used to set my fence to 0 and then make sure the blade was touching it at both ends.

Do a search!!!

:p

[Wongo]

Sorry to interrupt, sort of off topic as well but when I'm trying to rip a length of board on the table saw... well OK the Triton pretend TS I find that the board wants to drift away from the fence towards the blade.

Am I doing something fundamentally wrong or is it a common occurrence?
How do you correct this?



First it is a Triton. :D
Second the blade and the fence are probably not parallel.

[Wongo]

BT

This is how you fix the problem.
1.Put the fence right against the saw blade
2.Record the reading on both arms. One reads 0cm and the other reads 0.5cm
3.Make a note on the table top to remind you to take 0.5cm off one side of the fence every time you rip something.

:D

[Bleedin Thumb]

Thanks, I have enough to do tuning up the cars, now I have to worry about saws and planes! Lucky I don't have a piano.

[Cliff Rogers]

... I've felt like I've entered an alternate reality....enjoy your freaky jigged up alternate reality, I'm happy here in mine :p

:)
Alternate reality, is that anything like a state of boredom at work? :D
Sheyet stirrer. :2tsup:

[AlexS]

I couldn't live without my bandsaw...
and I couldn't live without my tablesaw

....and why should I have to?

[silentC]

Alternate reality, is that anything like a state of boredom at work? :D
Sheyet stirrer. :2tsup:
You can tell, can't you...

:p

[Cliff Rogers]

You can tell, can't you...

:p


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[martrix]

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Setting up the SRK for milling UHMW plastic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nzR5mEi7U8
Milling slots on UHMW plastic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZr4w-dM-hc
Tapered cuts on narrow pieces and matching tapered dados.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBGzoQGfUNg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBGzoQGfUNg)
The Bridge close up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmIxFNhIN8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmIxFNhIN8)
Cutting UHMW strips with the Bridge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I4bg...elated&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I4bg4jjtz8&mode=related&search=)
Gang cutting (cross cuts) UHMW strips with The Bridge.
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[journeyman Mick]

I'd be mightily suprised if ony of those jig gizmos could even approach the speed and ease of cutting of my panel saw. I can cut an average kitchen of about 200 individual pieces (say about 20 full size 2400 x 1200 sheets) in about half a day. Accurate to a fraction of a mm with chip free cuts top and bottom.:D All that for less than $3K (but you need at least 40M2 for the saw:rolleyes: )

Mick

[silentC]

Better get your video camera ready, Mick :wink:

[Wongo]

Mick, I bet you I can do better with a handsaw and a jig.:D

[outback]

I bet I can do better with my teeth and a stubbie. :doh:

[Bleedin Thumb]

A good set of Steak Knives and a plastic ruler

[Lignum]

I'd be mightily suprised if ony of those jig gizmos could even approach the speed and ease of cutting of my panel saw. I can cut an average kitchen of about 200 individual pieces (say about 20 full size 2400 x 1200 sheets) in about half a day. Accurate to a fraction of a mm with chip free cuts top and bottom.:D All that for less than $3K (but you need at least 40M2 for the saw:rolleyes: )

Mick

Mick, having said that, how long would it take and how easy would it be for you to rip and cross cut a 3000 x 1200 x 38 solid timber table top on your panel saw by your self.

[boban]

I'd be mightily suprised if ony of those jig gizmos could even approach the speed and ease of cutting of my panel saw. I can cut an average kitchen of about 200 individual pieces (say about 20 full size 2400 x 1200 sheets) in about half a day. Accurate to a fraction of a mm with chip free cuts top and bottom.:D All that for less than $3K (but you need at least 40M2 for the saw:rolleyes: )

Mick

You eliteist you:D. A panel saw to cut boards. Its a different world with one of those saws. My problem is that I have used a beam saw. Now there is some speed and accuracy. My first 'panel saw' consisted of 60 x 25mm aluminium and a 185mm circular saw with fine blade. That system works well, but is really slow unless you have dedicated setup ( I think Midge has a good foldup table for this type of thing).

I use my panel saw for more that just cutting board though. With a 7.5Hp main motor it rips through solid timber with ease. I recently jointed a 400mm x 65mm laminated board I used for one of my workbenches. Too easy and this thing weighed a tonne.

Lig, I think the panel saw would handle it quite easily once clamped to the slider. Getting it on the slider is the trick. That said, you still have to get the table top on your cutting table. I'm not sure its sensible to lift that sort of weight on your own in any event.

Back to the original theme of the thread. My first saw of choice was the TS. The BS is something that I now couldn't imagine being without. That would mean, I'm with you Alex. If I had to choose between the two then it would be the TS.

[Cliff Rogers]

Mick & Bob standing next to Mick's panel saw, it goes around behind Bob & out of the picture. :2tsup:
http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31463

[Wongo]

But where is the bandsaw? :D

[TassieKiwi]

Mick, having said that, how long would it take and how easy would it be for you to rip and cross cut a 3000 x 1200 x 38 solid timber table top on your panel saw by your self.

I guess the first question to that is 'How often will I need to do that? When I squared and trimmed my 90mmx500mm benchtop I used a flush bit from both sides, and finished with a very sharp #7C to smooth the end grain and remove the router marks. Worked a treat.

[Auld Bassoon]

I've just seen this thread, and have to agree wholeheartedly.

I love my Hammer B/S, but just couldn't see myself without a reasonable (Jet Supersaw with sliding table) T/S

[Lignum]

I guess the first question to that is 'How often will I need to do that?

As often as the majority of Forumites who will need to cut 20 mdf sheets for a kitchen :)

[journeyman Mick]

Lignum,
If I decided that I wanted to cut the tabletop on my slider I'd grab a hand to lift it on and I'd have no trouble cutting it. If there wasn't anyone around to give me a hand I'd grab my jig and have at it with a circular saw :D .

Wongo,
the bandsaw is just out of the picture on the right hand side.:p Hardly ever gets used though, the panelsaw will cut about 130mm deep with the rip blade in and has about 6hp so ripping or resawing solid timber is a doddle. Also exellent as a jointer, will joint up to 3.2M long and 130mm wide.

Mick

[Wongo]

I cut tabletops on a bandsaw too. My bandsaw can rip wide boards like your panel saw. It cuts dados, it drills holes, ...

All you need is a clever jig. :D

[TassieKiwi]

You blokes might be in need of a jig-a-jig.:D

[YCF Dino]

One of the most expensive woodworking tools is the beam saw.

Here is a portable beam saw... upside down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAveFBfaBIU

The same setup is great for panel cutting with unlimited cross cut
and rip cut capacity. Even bevel and compound cuts are safe and easy.

The idea is to find safety first and the rest (speed-accuracy and ease) are not far away. Woodworking is stigmatized by the tablesaw mentality that it's OK to push the wood into spinning blades and against fences.
A perfect senario for a disaster.
I used many-many tools before I realized that I was very-very lucky to have all of my body parts in place.:oo:

Some of us can't Imagine that a simple tool can do all that better and faster than a tablesaw-panelsaw-jointer etc.

We're working with accuracy less than ) .005" to make all the ez parts from Aluminum and UHMW plastic.
Better than my plastic distributor with $1M computerized panel saw.

My guys never used a cutting tool before and my insurance is very low because they inspect my shop and they can't think of an easy way for us to cut our fingers.

Our rent is the lowest in the states ( comparing income/space) because our cutting and milling sections are simpe tools made from ez smart parts to mass produce... the ez smart.

Gang cutting is the best part of the ez smart Bridge.
Here is the same setup again outperforming our miter saws
in safety speed and accuracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAkWQjVL-Rw
Enjoy and please be nice to YCF. (yourcarpenterfriend):wink:

Tablesaw lovers...have your fun.:roll:

Thanks Guys.


YCF Dino
Eurekazone.

[Wild Dingo]

Dino mate... I know you yanks have cheep broadband and real zoom power instant download techno gear over there but mate some of us are on dialup here and to download a youtube movie is like an all day affair! So some of us (like me for instance) have other things to do than sitting waiting all day for a movie to download

So given that and your generous effort to write and show this thing... would you mind PLEASE inserting some pics for us to have a gander at? that way we get a preview and if we like what we see and are interested we can decide if we want to spend the day waiting on a movie to download?

Pics are good... really... pics are good! :2tsup:

[YCF Dino]

Hi Wild Dingo.
(What is dingo?):?

I will shoot a nice photo gallery with the Bridge System.
You can follow this thread to get an idea.

http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=59928
http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=57886

Thanks and I'll be back with better pictures.
YCF Dino

[silentC]

Can I suggest you go and start a new thread for it?

[DJ’s Timber]

Here you go Dino, this is a Dingo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo)

[Big Shed]

Here you go Dino, this is a Dingo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo)

Doesn't look anything like his avatar does he?:U

[YCF Dino]

Doesn't look anything like his avatar does he?:U

Wild is good.
If we take out the "G" we have a Wild Dino :rolleyes: :D

Interesting.
Aboriginal people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aborigine) across the continent adopted the dingo as a companion animal, using it to assist with hunting and for warmth on cold nights. (The terms "two-dog night" and "three-dog night" are believed to come from Aboriginal idiom, describing the overnight temperature.)

A simple setup of the B-100.
http://eurekazone.com/gallery/the-B-100-ez-Bridge
The Bridge can be set many ways to form any tool.
I will take good pictures tomorrow and post a link.
I may start a new thread with the whole concept.

The Dead Wood Concept.
See you guys tomorrow.
Thanks for not attacking Dino like Wild Dingo's.

Half dog nite here.

[silentC]

I may start a new thread with the whole concept.
Good idea mate, this isn't really the place to post advertsing material :wink:. This thread is for fun-loving tablesaw lovers who are stigmatized by pushing wood into spinning blades and fences.