why is it so ?

[Zed]

Hey ,

As a potty mouth myself I understand the value of editing sweariness.

However why are words like "@r$e" that are intrinsically aussie in nature to use on the potty register but words like bastard arnt on same ?

eh ?

cheers

[Gumby]

The can has been opened again.

Do you like your worms fried, natural, kilpatrick, BBQ'd or in a nice satay sauce perhaps.

Whichever way appeals, I hope you enjoy them. :D :D

[savage]

I hope the bread rolls are fresh!....The fattest one's are at the bottom (is that a bad word)?......:D

[Iain]

F LI C K is not a rude word, but I bet it won't last.
Ass is acceptable, as is bugger which Toyota use to promote their vehicles (maybe GM should use Sh**)
Pass the can opener please.....

[Bodgy]

Hey ,


However why are words like "@r$e" that are intrinsically aussie in nature to use on the potty register

cheers

Bit silly really cause if I use the Seppo spelling 'ass' then it's cool.

[savage]

Bit silly really cause if I use the Seppo spelling 'ass' then it's cool.

Ass, isn't that the plural of a.r.s.e....maybe not!...sounds like it though!:D

[Shedhand]

Bit silly really cause if I use the Seppo spelling 'ass' then it's cool.
What the fcuk (thats on my grandaughter's t-shirt so it must be ok...) is a Seppo?????

[Termite]

Had an American educated business advisor in the PI who reckoned by definition an "Asset" was a little ass, cute preferably.:D

[Bodgy]

What the fcuk (thats on my grandaughter's t-shirt so it must be ok...) is a Seppo?????

Really, you guys......

Yarpie = Sud Effrikan (presumably derives from their repetition of "Yaaar" when in conversation)
Seppo = Septic Tank = Yank = our American cousins.

[Schtoo]

You never heard of a 'bastard file'?

Bastard file, n, typically the one that tears the skin off your knuckles, destroys the thing you were filing and ends up sailing across the room at mach 10 with it's name screamed after it... :eek:

Might also be used to sharpen axes. :o :D

[RETIRED]

I have thought long and hard how to answer you.

My answer: Do a bloody search under my name for rules, acceptable language or whatever else you can think of because I am sick of explaining about acceptable behaviour etc.

We gave you a forum where you can say what you want but some of you still aren't happy.

I do not know why any of you have to act like school kids to get stuff past me. It can be said without the swear words.


Be warned that from now on: The axe is going to get brutal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! because I am tired of a balancing act. No edits, deletions only because it is easier.

[RETIRED]

Yes, I am cheesed off.:mad:

[echnidna]

Why not run the main forum on auto pilot and make life easier for yourself .

[RETIRED]

Define auto pilot.

[Shedhand]

I have thought long and hard how to answer you.

My answer: Do a bloody search under my name for rules, acceptable language or whatever else you can think of because I am sick of explaining about acceptable behaviour etc.

We gave you a forum where you can say what you want but some of you still aren't happy.

I do not know why any of you have to act like school kids to get stuff past me. It can be said without the swear words.


Be warned that from now on: The axe is going to get brutal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! because I am tired of a balancing act. No edits, deletions only because it is easier.
Be warned - as from now Freedom of Speech is Dead!!!!
now whar's that darn tootin' gol darned 2 ba 4er.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[echnidna]

Define auto pilot.

Software that doesn't accept posts that don't meet certain criteria such as some specific words and phrases etc

[RETIRED]

Be warned - as from now Freedom of Speech is Dead!!!!
now whar's that darn tootin' gol darned 2 ba 4er.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
No it's not, just say it without malice or swearing.

It may be a new experience for some.

[RETIRED]

Software that doesn't accept posts that don't meet certain criteria such as some specific words and phrases etcThat is what the censorship is for but some love to beat it.

[Shedhand]

Do you regard traditional Australian euphemisms like, bugger, bastard, bloody christ almighty and fcuk off, dcikhead as swearing? I hear worse from 12 year old girls when I walk past the local Private School.
Our language has always been expressive and I haven't seen anyone here in my short time offended by any "swearing". A simple PM to the offending party by the offended one would do.

[Shedhand]

You have email waiting .
Cheers

[craigb]

Shedhand old son.

May I gently point out that you have only been a member of these forums for less than a month. I have no idea how long you have been a lurker.

If you do a search in the archives, you'll find that this topic has been covered often in the past.

Please don't get up on your high horse until you have some understanding of what it takes to provide these fora.

[echnidna]

and think of the amount of work this forum makes for .
Thats why the orange room is there.

[Schtoo]

Shedhand, yes they are swearing.

Take an Oxford dictionary, and look up a questionable word. If it's says 'vulgar' next to it, then it's swearing.

I'd like to know that if, by chance, my wife reads this forum, the only thing she might be offended by is something I have typed in, not someone's inability to leave their blue streak at the door.

And I'm someone whose mum would make you blush with what she can come up with.

Also expecting this post to go into thin air, so...

duck. :)

[Shedhand]

Shedhand, yes they are swearing.

Take an Oxford dictionary, and look up a questionable word. If it's says 'vulgar' next to it, then it's swearing.

I'd like to know that if, by chance, my wife reads this forum, the only thing she might be offended by is something I have typed in, not someone's inability to leave their blue streak at the door.

And I'm someone whose mum would make you blush with what she can come up with.

Also expecting this post to go into thin air, so...

duck. :)
Cripes (is that acceptable?) mmmfffffffwvvmmm ( that's me pursing my lips and counting to ten)......

[Sturdee]

Do you regard traditional Australian euphemisms like, bugger, bastard, bloody christ almighty and fcuk off, dcikhead as swearing?

Yes I do. Not only is it swearing but very offensive to me, and quite a few other members as well.


What the fcuk (thats on my grandaughter's t-shirt so it must be ok...)

Whilst that maybe on your granddaughter's t-shirt IMO it is not okay and not necessary on this forum.

Whilst I usually don't comment or reply to posts with swearing you wanted to know if anyone has been offended over your swearing so this time I decided to post and tell you that I am. Your use of "bloody christ almighty and fcuk off " in the same line is so offensive to me that I've given you a reddie to remind you that I am offended. :mad:

BTW your claim of freedom of speech being dead is a load of codswallop, and shows your complete ignorance of the useage of this board.

Peter.

[Shedhand]

Shedhand old son.

May I gently point out that you have only been a member of these forums for less than a month. I have no idea how long you have been a lurker.

If you do a search in the archives, you'll find that this topic has been covered often in the past.

Please don't get up on your high horse until you have some understanding of what it takes to provide these fora.
Not your son, jnr and not a lurker.
Not on my high horse. (can't ride for nuts).;) I know exactly what it takes to provide these fora. Developed and ran a Government intranet for a number of years.
Just object to be censored when the issue is so topical and important. The anti-yank ones were more problematic but allowed to stand.:cool:

[Shedhand]

Yes I do. Not only is it swearing but very offensive to me, and quite a few other members as well.



Whilst that maybe on your granddaughter's t-shirt IMO it is not okay and not necessary on this forum.

Whilst I usually don't comment or reply to posts with swearing you wanted to know if anyone has been offended over your swearing so this time I decided to post and tell you that I am. Your use of "bloody christ almighty and fcuk off " in the same line is so offensive to me that I've given you a reddie to remind you that I am offended. :mad:

BTW your claim of freedom of speech being dead is a load of codswallop, and shows your complete ignorance of the useage of this board.

Peter.
Just hit the ignore me button if you don't like me St Peter....:rolleyes:

[Groggy]

The intent of swearing is to offend, by its nature. This board is often frequented by young people seeking assistance. I have been known to swear, but very rarely, if ever, when asked not to. There is simply no need, and we have been asked not to by those who put in their time to maintain the board for us. That's enough - surely?

[craigb]

Hey Shedhand,

One question: Are you happy to be here?

[Sturdee]

Just hit the ignore me button if you don't like me St Peter....:rolleyes:


Yes, I can and usually do, for not many of your posts have been of interest to me.

However IMO I think this board would be better served if applied his IGNORE/DELETE button to you.


Peter.

[Harry72]

fcuk (thats on my grandaughter's t-shirt so it must be ok...)
Yes thats right French Connection United Kingdom

[boban]

Just hit the ignore me button if you don't like me St Peter....:rolleyes:

Pretty hard in a public forum. You post we read, that is the nature of the forums. I can only know that your post is offensive after the fact. Simple enough?

I let you know here that what you posted about the dovetails being wasted on the Pope was also offensive in the extreme. How do I avoid reading crap like that?

This is no-ones private playground.

And yes I have been known to swear on occasion.

[Gumby]

Just hit the ignore me button if you don't like me St Peter....:rolleyes:

It's taken a while for you to show your true colours. Maybe it's time we shut the shed door. :mad:



Yes thats right French Connection United Kingdom

I've seen that stuff and their large billboard on the Bolte Bridge. It's purile if you ask me.

[boban]

It's taken a while for you to show your true colours. Maybe it's time we shut the shed door. :mad:

Sorry Gumby,

religious or not, I think he did it here first http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showpost.php?p=231201&postcount=6

[craigb]

Well given that he's managed to alianate just about everybody, who's he going to talk to?

[Gumby]

There's a spare seat either side of Alspine, maybe he could sit over there. ;) They seem suited to each other.

[Sturdee]

There's a spare seat either side of Alspine, maybe he could sit over there. ;) They seem suited to each other.

Glad that you didn't include Kenmil in this:D for unlike these two at least he contributed to the board before his infamous dummy spit.:D


Peter.

[boban]

French Connection United Kingdom Him.

That cant be offensive can it?

[Shedhand]

Hey Shedhand,

One question: Are you happy to be here?
What's it now Pick on Shedhand week. Yep, Love this place. I'l just ignore the people I don't want to converse with and you do the same and we'll all be happy. What you say?:cool:

[Shedhand]

Pretty hard in a public forum. You post we read, that is the nature of the forums. I can only know that your post is offensive after the fact. Simple enough?

I let you know here that what you posted about the dovetails being wasted on the Pope was also offensive in the extreme. How do I avoid reading crap like that?

This is no-ones private playground.

And yes I have been known to swear on occasion.Another one.....

[journeyman Mick]

Shedhand,
I've used this analogy before, you may find it helpful. There's a business (U-Beaut) that makes and supplies finishing products. It pays for a clubhouse where woodworkers and those even remotely interested in woodworking can get together and chat about their interests. The club doesn't directly benefit the business, but the owners are willing to pay for the running of the club for the goodwill it generates. There's a few discrete signs on the walls giving the business name, but no direct advertising.

In return for this openhandedness the owners and managers of this club simply ask patrons and visitors to abide by a few simple rules and "no swearing" is one of them. As has pointed out there's very good reasons for this. Even if there were absolutely no reason at all for any of the rules the fact that the club owner has set them should be reason enough. If you don't like the rules, and continue to misbehave then there's a good chance that the bouncer will grab you and throw you out the door.

The clubhouse is open to people from all over the world and of any age. There's quite a few regular members and some of them are founts of wisdom and knowledge, others are here to learn whatever they can, some are always good for a laugh and to lift the spirits, and some visit once to get help with a problem and are never heard of again. There's hand tool experts, machinery nuts, class clowns, tradesmen (and women) from a variety of trades, all willing to share their skills and knowledge. There's discussions that are very woody related and others that are totally unrelated. People enjoy coming to this club, and some spend hours here every day. It's got a friendly caring atmosphere and is always supportive of members that are experiencing any difficulties. In short, it's a great place to be.

The clubhouse also has an open door for anyone who just wishes to be a spectator, they're not even required to identify themselves. So visitors could be anyone old enough to manage a computer. Now imagine that into this cosy, friendly atmosphere comes someone who is loud and abrasive, swearing like a trooper and generally spoiling the atmosphere. When asked to abide by the rules he's miffed and shouts out that it's his right to act as he pleases. He's very assertive about his rights but hasn't a clue about his responsibilities.

I've worked in some pretty crude environments and can swear with the best of them but I try to temper my language around here and don't believe it's an infringement of my freedom of speech. If you came to my house and swore or blasphemed I would tell you quite firmly to desist and if you didn't comply I'd show you the door (with violence if required).
If you don't like how this club is run by its owners or managers then you're free to leave and start your own.

If you believe it's your right to swear and blaspheme you might want to head down to the ANZAC day dawn service next year and try it to see what happens.

Mick

[Sturdee]

Another one.....


That's nine people that you don't want to converse with you in what is a quiet night, or rather that's nine people that DON'T want to converse with you.

That's a great record for someone who has been a member of only 16 days and who has an unenviable record of most of his posts being a waste of space.

Of course the nine doesn't include whose very reasonable response to the original question started of your tirade. :mad:

Apart from your abhorrent choice of language you also seem to think that should immediately respond to your questioning post, and when not answered quickly enough for your liking you posted a sarcastic post entitled " You have an email ".

That I'm sure is calculated to win friends and influence people, NOT. :mad: Whilst we might, at times, disagree with the moderators decisions we at least appreciate them giving their unpaid time and effort and money to keep this board going.

Now you say that you know exactly what it takes to provide these forums. So then you know how much time and effort and money it cost to keep a board running, but the problem for you is this is a private board and not government paid and run and you, as well as us, are here solely by their grace.

You also say that you developed and ran a Government intranet for a number of years. So tell us when you ran that, did you allow and condone swearing on a government intranet. Did you moderate any discussion and as such use the objectionable censorship to keep it in line?

You also say that you object to be censored when the issue is so topical and important. Again that is only your opinion, which so far hasn't proved to be worth very much.

, maybe it's time to do another of your daily good turns and restrict Shedhand's posting ability. I'm sure the board would be better of without him.

Or maybe we should have a poll on his continued membership?


Peter.

[bitingmidge]

That's nine people that you don't want to converse with you in what is a quiet night, or rather that's nine people that DON'T want to converse with you.


Ten.

P
:mad:

[TEEJAY]

Eleven

[Termite]

Twelve, and thats from one of the class clowns.

[TassieKiwi]

13. Not.

[silentC]

I think Mick's post should be made a sticky at the top of every forum.

[anthonyd]

I read shedhands pot about the pope's dovetails.

I think he might have been taken out of context there.

I read it to be waste of good dovetails to be put on a coffin and buried, not a waste of good dovetails on the pope. I suppose it depends on how you read it.

Biggest prblem with forums like this is that the emotion beinhd a post is not easily conveyed and sometimes a joke or sarcasim is lost!

[Gumby]

I think Mick's post should be made a sticky at the top of every forum.

I think it should be compulsory reading. Well done Mick and also a good follow up by Peter.
I agree completely.


I read shedhands pot about the pope's dovetails.

I think he might have been taken out of context there.

I read it to be waste of good dovetails to be put on a coffin and buried, not a waste of good dovetails on the pope. I suppose it depends on how you read it.

I don't think so. He signed off as The Athiest, so it seems to me that it was more than just a dovetail comment.

[Zed]

Wow. sorry I raised the quesiton - I suppose I shoulda known anyway....:)

[Exador]

Wow!! I know that Shedhand is a bit rambunctious, but could it be that he's not feeling at his best after trying to rip his hand a couple of days ago? :p

On my part, I agree with those advocating self-control on the fora, but come to my shed on a bad day and you'd better bring earplugs if you don't like the occasional blue tinge in the air :D.

[craigb]

I think Mick's post should be made a sticky at the top of every forum.

Hear Hear!

[silentC]

Yes, you're a published woody Zed. You have responsibilities now :D

[Christopha]

Mick, you said it beautifully and I thank you for it!

Shedhand, you can be a waste of oxygen and aren't really needed here, however, I dare say that if you have something to contribute that isn't just vulgar rubbish then you will be as welcome as anyone else.
To knock like you have is just plain stupid, I am proud to say that has been a good friend of mine since well before this forum was thought of, and a more even handed, fair and broad minded bloke you will NOT find anywhere. SINCE this forum has been in existence and since it has grown to be as successful as it is has made an enormous number of newer friends and so I suggest that any newchum upstart who denigrates him is going to cop loads!
Oh, and if you grand daughter has a t shirt with that stuff on it then you need to talk to her parents as they obviously dint raise her too good!:eek:

[Sturdee]

Oh, and if your grand daughter has a t shirt with that stuff on it then you need to talk to her parents as they obviously dint raise her too good!:eek:

Or maybe talk to her parents parents.:rolleyes:


Peter.

[Christopha]

Was about to "Edit" that in.... thanks Pedrovich

[Gumby]

Wow. sorry I raised the quesiton - I suppose I shoulda known anyway....:)

I don't wish to say 'I told ya!' mate , but see post number 2 in this thread. :D

It was a big can . ;)

[bitingmidge]

I'm just thinking the good old days are back!

P
:D :D :D

[Blackers]

I don't enter into these types of discussions often. However I get the feeling (and this is only my opinion) that members are getting disgruntled and I fear that some may slowly disappear from the BB altogether. I have to say DON'T GO...I still have so much to learn from you ALL. Yes everyone has there own opinion on everything and that is what it is an opinion, good or bad who am I to say they are wrong?

But I will leave with these words...the law/rule doesn't have to be just it just have to be the law/rule.....and if the law/rule says no swearing or offending of others then thats it.....end of story.

my 2c FWIW

Jason.

[channa]

Zed, Zed, Zed...;)

Good on ya, Mick http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon14.gif - I like this clubroom

This sort of thing can happen when you step over to the dark side - woodworkers talking about NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH WOODWORK (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=43)!

[TEEJAY]

Jason,

Many a mumbling recently about how unreasonably calm and tranquil it is here with open slather gobbling up all the excitement. Well now there is a buzz of controversy and confrontation, love and hate, bait and bite - no big deal really. If anything it has awoken some from a lurking coma :)

The forum has survived bigger and more exciting things than this and members come and go. Mutinous sailors, atilla the honey troll, and shedfoot - hey I wonder if shedfoot is an American measurement?

With foot firmly in teeth I'll go now :D

Cheers

[echnidna]

I'm just thinking the good old days are back!

P
:D :D :D

Are they really back
or is it the calm before the storm.


Basically has a huge workload being our school marm after a busy day earning his living

He is entitled to have fun on this forum too.

If he cracks it coz it is too much work cleaning up after twits who won't abide the rules, what will happen to the forum?

Maybe the forum could close if the moderators job gets too hard

The orange room was setup to try and reduce moderators workloads.
Maybe this is only a teething problem.

But maybe the rule breakers should only have access to the orange room and not be able to access the main forum.

Btw this is an international forum with both dotcom and dotcomau addresses.
Which means yanks etc should be welcomed here without being denigrated because of attitudes of their political leaders. This is a woodies forum.
I hope ubeaut sells his stuff internationally because of this forum.

[outback]

Well, I gave Zed ared for starting this thread, and shedhand a greenie for making himself a target for abuse.


Who said it was quiet in here.

[Gumby]

Well, I gave Zed a red for starting this thread, and shedhand a greenie for making himself a target for abuse.


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: No wonder my reddie didn't seem to dent his rep. :(

[Termite]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: No wonder my reddie didn't seem to dent his rep. :(

And I backed up with some artillery fire, maybe our aim was off. :confused:

[craigb]

Who said it was quiet in here.


Umm it might have been me :o . Sorry :o

[Wood Butcher]

Taken directly from the forum rules!

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.
I, along with several other members, consider swearing obscene and I think that swearing is not considered fully exceptable in society. Shedhand, i believe that you have stepped way over the line with some of your posts lately and you have deeply offended me, especially with your post about the Pope's coffin. Show some respect for a man that has probably done more for humanity in the last 20 years than any other person.

Reddie from me:mad:

[Wood Butcher]

Journeyman Mick,

What you said should be added to the forum rules!!!

Greenie for that!

[journeyman Mick]

I think Mick's post should be made a sticky at the top of every forum.

I'm flattered and embaressed :o :o

Mick

[lesmeyer]

Mick,
you hit the nail on the head with your post. I reckon we are all merely guests of this club house - albeit that some of us are registered guests, senior, junior etc. and as such we respect (not much respect around these days) the wishes of the owners and managers of our club - bottom line.

To Bodgy - I believe the term Yarpie is derived from the name Japie which is short for Plaas Japie which means farm boy (in Souf Effrika) and his name could also be Japie. This term was/is mainly reserved for the Afrikaans speaking section of the population. Thats from an english speaking honorary ex-japie.:D
Les

[Auld Bassoon]

Well said Mick! Agree absoultely, and couldn't have put it better.

Cheers!

PS Greenie coming - I'd make it a 'goldie' if I could:)

[Bodgy]

Mick,

To Bodgy - I believe the term Yarpie is derived from the name Japie which is short for Plaas Japie which means farm boy (in Souf Effrika) and his name could also be Japie. This term was/is mainly reserved for the Afrikaans speaking section of the population. Thats from an english speaking honorary ex-japie.:D
Les

Thanks for that Les. I find the derivation of words really fascinating. Never screwed up the courage to ask any natives.

[savage]

I'm not one to jump in at the deep end and this time is no different, being a newbie I follow the thread and gather a collective feeling and then apply my own sentiments after careful deliberation of the discussion currently at hand. I have read and re-read this thread and come to my decision, we are all right and shed.....? whatever his name is, is wrong, see, so easy to foget people who do not interest me!....I'm happy now!...Is everyone else happy, just ignore the ones you wish too, I'll not read any further posts by what's his name!...:)

[DavidG]

I go away for a couple of days and look what happens.:eek:
Missed all the fun.:D

Have noticed a degeneration of attitude.
Always thought we were woodies first then nationality second.

No wonder there are wars, even we can not keep the peace.:(

[doug the slug]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: No wonder my reddie didn't seem to dent his rep. :(

well personally i just got back after a few days away and i am a bit disappointed in the way the forum has gone. but the thing that troubles me most is how did shedhand get the rep points he has in such a short time with so few postings? it took me much longer than that to get all the green lights on and many more postings. i smell a rat, and niot a woodrat either. byb the way did i tell everyone i bought a woodrat today????

[Schtoo]

I was thinking the same thing Doug, but didn't go as far as suspecting anything untoward. Just thought it was a little unusual/annoying as I just got my last light on yesterday...

[journeyman Mick]

...........No wonder there are wars, even we can not keep the peace.:(

Sad but true:(

Mick

[biotechy2k]

. i smell a rat, and niot a woodrat either. byb the way did i tell everyone i bought a woodrat today????[/quote]

Hey Doug it wasn't one of the rats you met at my place they are innocent young things and I've never heard an expletive or vulgar squeek out of either one of them
LOL
Great to meet your guys
Hugs Lou

[Eastie]

I suspect that I, amongst many others, have not selected "I disaprove" prior to issuing shedhand some reputation.

What I found is that once I read the resposne to 's post I couldn't give him a red one quick engough - in the haste I made the stuff up and didn't change the selection to the disaprove icon :o

[Gumby]

I thnk it's a bit of a problem too. I wish that you had to mark either box, not have it default to the green one.

Anyway, Shedhand has posted an apology so let's just let it go now, give him the benefit of the doubt and move on.

[Eastie]

Move on - I'm still chatching up on 500+ new posts. I'll get to his appology sometime next week at this rate. By the way, does anyone know anything about building a cyclone:D

[Gumby]

By the way, does anyone know anything about building a cyclone:D

Do a search !! :D :D