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ozwinner
16th November 2005, 06:20 PM
Hi Groovers.

Do you think that debate, conversation is being stiffled by the "Orange Room"?

Every time things get interesting, they are sent to the "Room".
I know they who must be obeyed have to cover their asses, but please.
And, Im not haveing a go at any of them, just thought Id make that clear.

Reply here before the "Room" comes. :D

Al :)

Auld Bassoon
16th November 2005, 06:23 PM
Hi Groovers.

Do you think that debate, conversation is being stiffled by the "Orange Room"?

Every time things get interesting, they a sent to the "Room".
I know they who must be obeyed have to cover their asses, but please.
And, Im not haveing a go at any of them, just thought Id make that clear.

Reply here before the "Room" comes. :D

Al :)

Hi Al,

Some folk must be really bad to be sent to Timbe*** or, dare I say it? Tri***:D :D :D :D

Cheers!

E. maculata
16th November 2005, 06:27 PM
Don't have problem with it Al, just go there & continue the dickussion.

Ratbag Oz
16th November 2005, 06:43 PM
What is the orange Room? Is it password prtected or something? Or 18+?

Ratbag

ozwinner
16th November 2005, 06:43 PM
But what if ppl dont want to register, but still want to keep up with the conversation?

Al :(

craigb
16th November 2005, 06:54 PM
Hard one to answer. Maybe everybody just needs a log-on for the room?

Perhaps failing that, when a thread is moved a place-holder is put in the original forum saying something like "This thread moved to open-slather" ?

At least that way people won't think that the thread's been deleted.

Funny thimg about the room though.
Since it's been going, although there's been some robust discussions, I don't think anybody's chucked their toys out of the cot.

Christopha
16th November 2005, 06:55 PM
A Poll Al me old China ..... A POLL!

ozwinner
16th November 2005, 06:58 PM
Since it's been going, although there's been some robust discussions, I don't think anybody's chucked their toys out of the cot.

Thats because a lot of ppl couldnt be bothered with getting the password.
Sturdee for one wont go there, and I like to read Sturdees posts.
Not that he chucks his toys out of the cot.

Al :)

Grunt
16th November 2005, 07:00 PM
I think it does stifle the conversation and the fun of the board.

I understand the reasoning behind the level of censorship. I just think it is a little heavy handed. I'm not talking about swearing but fairly harmless 'Smut & innuendo' get deleted or moved to the Orange Room. I know we have had at least one 9 year old on the board but the rest of us are adults. The jokes will go over the head of the 9 year olds or they'll have heard it in the playground.

I know the real problem is that some people complain to the administrators as soon as something a little off colour is posted. I wish they'd stop it.

I want to talk to everyone on the board like they were my mates, because they are.

Auld Bassoon
16th November 2005, 07:28 PM
I want to talk to everyone on the board like they were my mates, because they are.

Exactly!

Cheers - everyone!

Termite
16th November 2005, 07:34 PM
I don't know how everyone else uses this forum but when I come on I just hit "new posts" and go from there. When I get to the end of the list I just hit it again, etc etc.
This way I can keep up with things no matter where they are. And yes I do have the dirty password.:p

craigb
16th November 2005, 07:40 PM
Thats because a lot of ppl couldnt be bothered with getting the password.
Sturdee for one wont go there, and I like to read Sturdees posts.
Not that he chucks his toys out of the cot.

Al :)

What I was trying to say was that the people in the forum are able to have an arguement and/or cop a bit of "off colour" humour without taking offence or running to Sir.

Gumby doesn't go there either, which is also a shame.

I kinda think Grunt is on the money.

Gingermick
16th November 2005, 07:48 PM
But what if ppl dont want to register, but still want to keep up with the conversation?

Al :(

It would be the same as if the thread were deleted.


I want to talk to everyone on the board like they were my mates

But you'd temper your language around your mate's mother wouldn't you?

E. maculata
16th November 2005, 09:42 PM
Honestly, while I respect Gumby & Sturdee immensely:rolleyes: I cannot fathom why they wouldn't occassionally go orange for some issues, sorta like taking the conversation to the table at the pub rather than with all the non participants at the bar.
I post here to ask, reply, or get something off my chest, but sometimes would prefer that non members(non cambatants? non participative types, looky loos) didn't act like eavesdroppers as the discussion may be well .......delicate in nature or potentially heated and then maybe the one post wonders whom only have an interest in that issue would find it here with a search engine.
You never know we could even talk about other countries that are full of powermad deskheads without incurring WWIII on our collective butts.;)

Driver
16th November 2005, 09:59 PM
Al has a good point.

The issue that troubles me is this: now that we have the Open Slather forum, the possibility exists for any thread to be removed from the general area and placed in the "Adults Only" section simply because someone has posted something that is deemed to be R-rated.

This, potentially, places useful discussions at the mercy of any malignant idiot who wants to express his/her feeble-minded opinions to our general detriment.

Most of us wouldn't do this, of course, but these forums exist in cyber-space and are therefore open to all manner of folk :eek: - as has been particularly obvious of late :eek: :eek:

If our moderators were to consider the axe ahead of the removal van in such cases, we might keep threads that should be available to all out in the open where they belong.

The Orange Room would then be available for its proper purpose - as E. maculata has eloquently suggested - the private conversation table.

My two bobs' worth.

Col

RETIRED
16th November 2005, 10:13 PM
I try to do that. Posts are still deleted and the thread is left to run in the open forum.

I move a thread I consider that no matter how much I delete I might as well just move it because it makes no sense.

Jokes I consider to be a little borderline I move into the orange room. I could delete them I s'pose.

If some of you want to stuff up a thread you know which buttons to push and do so.

This was the cause of my rant the other day.

We could always go back to the way we were with the orange room closed. HMMMMMM!? Your call.

rick_rine
16th November 2005, 10:27 PM
I just wonder why some posts are sent and not others . Is SBS soccer game R rated ?
I also wish all members would visit .
Rick and Charles ( aged 8 weeks and still cant use a cordless screwdriver :( )

Sturdee
16th November 2005, 10:45 PM
We could always go back to the way we were with the orange room closed. HMMMMMM!? Your call.

I don't think it's our call. It's yours to decide . As they say only the Giver can take it away.:D

Whilst I have the greatest respect for you and your moderation of this board, and I hope my posts haven't given you much grief over the years, I disagree with your recent decisions to remove posts to the Orange Room because they are not political correct. Tonight another one was removed from view.

I believe that if it can't be said in open forum it should not be said and if it can't be seriously debated in open forum it shouldn't be debated at all. As such I will not join a closed forum.

If the members want to have an Orange Room, so be it. But then you might as well remove the " Nothing to do with Woodwork" forum, for the moment a serious discussion starts it gets moved.

IMO under the current system the board is boring and threads being removed is very frustrating and it is rapidly loosing my interest.


Peter.

Sturdee
16th November 2005, 11:22 PM
If some of you want to stuff up a thread you know which buttons to push and do so.



, I'm sure you know the members concerned that would do that.

If they are regular offenders then maybe a better way would be to withdraw those specific members posting ability and return to the previous system.

Peter.

Daddles
16th November 2005, 11:33 PM
It don't matter no more.

Australia's off to Germany for the WORLD CUP (a real one, not the pretend one the other codes have):D :D :D :D :D :D

YYYYYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

Guus for GOD
Harry for his PROPHET
Swartzer for DISCIPLE

YYYYYYEEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

Richard
I'm excited ... can you tell?

Cliff Rogers
17th November 2005, 12:56 AM
I don't like the colour or the orange room.... it messes with my head. :confused:

RETIRED
17th November 2005, 06:42 AM
I don't think it's our call. It's yours to decide . As they say only the Giver can take it away.:D

Whilst I have the greatest respect for you and your moderation of this board, and I hope my posts haven't given you much grief over the years, I disagree with your recent decisions to remove posts to the Orange Room because they are not political correct. Tonight another one was removed from view.
If you are refferring to the one in the Triton forum: It was not moved but closed by the forum Moderator. Not I.
I believe that if it can't be said in open forum it should not be said and if it can't be seriously debated in open forum it shouldn't be debated at all. As such I will not join a closed forum.

Basically the only ones I move are those that touch on the subjects which have always been taboo: Politics, sex and religion
If the members want to have an Orange Room, so be it. But then you might as well remove the " Nothing to do with Woodwork" forum, for the moment a serious discussion starts it gets moved.

IMO under the current system the board is boring and threads being removed is very frustrating and it is rapidly loosing my interest.


Peter.

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/announcement.php?f=38

RETIRED
17th November 2005, 06:45 AM
I don't like the colour or the orange room.... it messes with my head. :confused:
Neither do I and I might see if Neil can change it when he gets back.

echnidna
17th November 2005, 08:43 AM
Well the orange room must be working as the s**t slinging personal attacks in the open forums have, with minor exceptions, just about vanished.

If you find the open section boring go back to the orange room.

Bodgy
17th November 2005, 09:21 AM
What has amazed is that after all the opening fanfare, the Orange Room has had very little titillating or obscene content. The overwhelmingly majority of posts concern topical issues, political or philosophical matters. I can't quite see the difference between Orange Room and the "nothing to do with WW" thread. 'Bad' words are still automatically deleted.

Excepting the few girlie pictures and some sexual jokes and innuendo, which I personally find puerile, its all pretty straight.

Whilst it is a personal choice, I'd suggest that the Orange non participating members have a look. If you don't like it, don't return. At least you will then know why you eschew the area.

A closed mind doesn't fly

echnidna
17th November 2005, 09:40 AM
I couldn't be bothered with another password.

RufflyRustic
17th November 2005, 09:57 AM
My humble opinion from my humble soapbox. I don't get on my soapbox much but when I do, it means I feel pretty strongly about things.
____________________

I miss the stoushes on the board. They made for interesting and enlightening reading, not only the points of view being expressed, but because I also got to know the people posting their views better. The discussions were lively and quite often generated other useful and interesting offshoot threads. Now, the board seems to have lost a bit of it's pizzazz. The same members are here, reading, posting etc, but the spark doesn't seem to be as bright as it used to be. Does anyone else see this???:confused: OK so there's innuendo and banter - so what? Take away the innuendo and banter from a conversation outside of the forum, in person and it loses its spark too.

I appreciate and other Moderators' work and position. It's not a job I believe I could do half as well as you guys do it.

Personally, in my humble opinion, I'd say close the Open Slather forum. Like Echidna, I really don't need another password to add to the 30 I have to have already.

Cheers
RufflyRustic

craigb
17th November 2005, 10:15 AM
For those who don't go to Open-Slather, so long as you are accepting cookies, you only have to enter the password once.

normell
17th November 2005, 10:19 AM
For those who don't go to Open-Slather, so long as you are accepting cookies, you only have to enter the password once.

Some how mine got revoked, think it was because of the 80 year old beaver joke I posted.
sent email to , but apparently he don't want me back there


Normell

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 10:42 AM
Does anyone else see this???:

Yep.

Well put Wendy! (the whole post I mean).

No argument from me on anything.... bugger, that's probably our problem at the moment, we all agree on everything!

Cheers,

P:D

Bodgy
17th November 2005, 10:59 AM
Yep, close down the Orange bit, it's been a bit of a fizzer. Provided the moderators (and I'm not saying they have, do or would) don't start imposing their own morality, politics, religion, prejudices etc and delete posts that don't fit nicely into their view of the world.

silentC
17th November 2005, 11:19 AM
Well, let's just take a step back from it for a minute.

The 'orange' section was brought about in response to numerous complaints from people about their posts being edited or deleted. The idea was that people who wanted to post controversial topics or jokes could use the open slather forum because participants had to actively ask for access, thereby waiving some of their right to protest at things they found offensive.

We asked for this and we got it. Now the way I see it, the only real problem here is that some people who might have participated in these controversial threads do not wish to get a password and so, once the thread is moved, they lose the ability to contribute. Of course the ones that start there, they never know about.

I think there are three possible solutions to this problem:

1. Leave it as it is and encourage people to get a password
2. Get rid of the Open Slather forum
3. Reintroduce the old censorship rules, whereby if you post something unacceptable in the public forum it is edited or deleted as in the old days. Only threads started in the Open Slather forum appear there and no threads are moved. In other words, if you want to be controversial post in Open Slather, otherwise it is subject to the same rules.

At the end of the day, we're supposed to be here to talk about woodworking related topics and the rest is a bit of a diversion. I don't think that the 'orange' section is affecting the woodworking discussion at all, so as I see it, it's not a big deal from that point of view.

To the guys that don't have a password, if you want to be in on it, get one. It's no big deal and we can all just get on with whatever it is we do and stop worrying about what colour the background of the page is.

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 11:25 AM
3. Reintroduce the old censorship rules, whereby if you post something unacceptable in the public forum it is edited or deleted as in the old days. Only threads started in the Open Slather forum appear there and no threads are moved. In other words, if you want to be controversial post in Open Slather, otherwise it is subject to the same rules.

Tick!

;)
P

Driver
17th November 2005, 11:36 AM
Tick!

;)
P


Ditto!

(Darren for President!)

craigb
17th November 2005, 11:38 AM
Well, let's just take a step back from it for a minute.

The 'orange' section was brought about in response to numerous complaints from people about their posts being edited or deleted. The idea was that people who wanted to post controversial topics or jokes could use the open slather forum because participants had to actively ask for access, thereby waiving some of their right to protest at things they found offensive.

We asked for this and we got it. Now the way I see it, the only real problem here is that some people who might have participated in these controversial threads do not wish to get a password and so, once the thread is moved, they lose the ability to contribute. Of course the ones that start there, they never know about.

I think there are three possible solutions to this problem:

1. Leave it as it is and encourage people to get a password
2. Get rid of the Open Slather forum
3. Reintroduce the old censorship rules, whereby if you post something unacceptable in the public forum it is edited or deleted as in the old days. Only threads started in the Open Slather forum appear there and no threads are moved. In other words, if you want to be controversial post in Open Slather, otherwise it is subject to the same rules.

At the end of the day, we're supposed to be here to talk about woodworking related topics and the rest is a bit of a diversion. I don't think that the 'orange' section is affecting the woodworking discussion at all, so as I see it, it's not a big deal from that point of view.

To the guys that don't have a password, if you want to be in on it, get one. It's no big deal and we can all just get on with whatever it is we do and stop worrying about what colour the background of the page is.


Couldn't agree more. :D

Don't shutdown the orange room. It serves its purpose.

I'd encourage anybody with an open mind to get a password. ;)

Daddles
17th November 2005, 11:47 AM
I see only two problems at the moment
- people being precious about being moderated - grow up kiddies, Neil ain't running a kindergarten and doesn't need to be a kindy teacher.

- people being too precious to get a password - look kids, if you don't want to get a password, fair enough, but don't complain about not being able to participate, that was the choice YOU made when you chose not to get a password.

Richard

shrek
17th November 2005, 11:54 AM
To the guys that don't have a password, if you want to be in on it, get one. It's no big deal and we can all just get on with whatever it is we do and stop worrying about what colour the background of the page is.

Is there any secret to getting a password?
I was in the middle of a converation a couple of days ago when the thread was moved to the "sealed section".
I requested a password straight away but nothing has happened.
Is there a secret?
was I holding my tounge wrong when I typed out my request?
Do I not know the secret password that you have to enter when you are requesting a password?
Is their a secret handshake amongst woodies that I need to know?
:D :D :D

RufflyRustic
17th November 2005, 11:55 AM
Hmm, in all fairness, I'm going to get a password and see for myself before I go any further. probably should have done this before getting on my soapbox. :rolleyes:
cheers
RR

Clinton1
17th November 2005, 12:23 PM
I am an offender that started a thread that recently got bumped to the Closed section.

I had the password and data dumped it as on my first few visits that section seemed purile and some posts riled me up. I guess I chose not to pollute my mind and quite frankly if I wanted that I wouldn't need to go online to get it.

I would like to see the rest of the thread, but at the risk of toilet humour and "shoot em all and let god sort them out" comments - no thanks.

Consider me chastised - I will start nothing about politics, unless I'm happy to slip in before the moderators move it :D .

Not that I am whinging - the forum is great and the people responsible are doing a fantastic job. I'll consider myself as having a right to whinge when I am providing a similiar free service, or when I start paying a membership fee. Untill then it is all good.


but....

craigb
17th November 2005, 12:37 PM
Is there any secret to getting a password?
I was in the middle of a converation a couple of days ago when the thread was moved to the "sealed section".
I requested a password straight away but nothing has happened.
Is there a secret?
was I holding my tounge wrong when I typed out my request?
Do I not know the secret password that you have to enter when you are requesting a password?
Is their a secret handshake amongst woodies that I need to know?
:D :D :D

Did you go to the Open slather forum and click on the link that says "Click here for a password"?

That worked for me.

Termite
17th November 2005, 12:39 PM
Have a look at the latest thread in the closed forum about "Netball". What I have read so far is completely inoffensive.
Now I don't know if the poster started it in that forum or not, but if it was relegated to there by a moderator then get rid of the closed room because it has sent our moderator crazy.

shrek
17th November 2005, 01:16 PM
Did you go to the Open slather forum and click on the link that says "Click here for a password"?

That worked for me.

Yep, That's what I did but no dice so far.
I might give it another go.

Sturdee
17th November 2005, 02:21 PM
Consider me chastised - I will start nothing about politics, unless I'm happy to slip in before the moderators move it :D .

Not that I am whinging - the forum is great and the people responsible are doing a fantastic job. I'll consider myself as having a right to whinge when I am providing a similiar free service, or when I start paying a membership fee. Untill then it is all good.


but....

Me too.

Recently I was involved in the debate about RE agents. I made the point that minorities, of any colour or creed, should not be condemned because of actions by a few. After my post another member made a joke about it which I found very offensive. Whilst typing a rebuttal the post got moved out from underneath me. The offensive post probably remains but, because of my decision not to go into a closet forum ,I can not do anything about it.

A number of other posts since, where I made a contribution, got moved as well. I am not impressed and this post is probably my last serious contribution to any matter outside of woodworking.

Hence that if the current system of sanitising everything remains we might as well remove some forums as Nothing to do with woodwork or Have your say because the moment you do say something it gets moved.

If the majority wants this brave new forum then so be it, I personally don't, I am not pushing for a change but replying to 's question as to if we want it.

I will accept the decisions made by the moderators but at the moment IMO there is no difference between this forum and other online woodworking forums. From my perspective, having chosen not to enter a closet forum, the forums from the other side of the pond and this one are now too sanitised and humourless to hold a great attraction. In fact some overseas forums seem a bit more liberal than ours has become.

It would be nice to know the number of participants of the orange forum, the useage etc and maybe a proper public poll would be useful.

Peter.

Gumby
17th November 2005, 03:03 PM
bugger, that's probably our problem at the moment, we all agree on everything!



Can I just say at this point that I disagree with that. ;) :D

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 03:22 PM
Can I just say at this point that I disagree with that. ;) :D
Well yes, so do I!!!
:D :D :D :D

P (See! We DO agree!)

Gumby
17th November 2005, 03:28 PM
Well yes, so do I!!!
:D :D :D :D

P (See! We DO agree!)

No sorry, I really don't think you do. :rolleyes:

:D :D

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 03:48 PM
No sorry, I really don't think you do. :rolleyes:

:D :D
Oh yes, I see your point, you're perfectly correct!

P
:D :D :D :D

Gumby
17th November 2005, 03:53 PM
Oh yes, I see your point, you're perfectly correct!

P
:D :D :D :D

No, giving it much consideration, I don't think I am. You're wrong again. :rolleyes:


:)

Daddles
17th November 2005, 04:12 PM
Trust the chipmunk twins to add to the thread:rolleyes:

It wasn't one of you two they were talking about in the possum thread was it:confused:

Richard:D

echnidna
17th November 2005, 04:12 PM
Yer all wrong:D
but then again
just maybe,
I suppose you'll both have to find out
in the orange room
That's if you care bout whose right
an whose not:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

ahah
the 3 stooges I see:p :p

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 04:22 PM
See, now there's FOUR of us who agree on almost everything!!

Come to think of it, there were four three stooges too weren't there?

P:D

echnidna
17th November 2005, 04:34 PM
Well there was 4 musketeers if you include their apprentice.

silentC
17th November 2005, 04:45 PM
You are all quite, quite mad.

echnidna
17th November 2005, 05:13 PM
That's the nicest thing anyone has said in a long while!!!

BTW

Hijack Successful:D :D

Termite
17th November 2005, 05:14 PM
You are all quite, quite mad.
Slight correction there Silent old buddy "We are all quite, quite mad"

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 05:14 PM
Looks like the apprentice just turned up.

5.

One more and we'll have a trilogy of the same number as the Hitchiker's Guide series!

P(still in complete agreement)
:D :D :D

Gumby
17th November 2005, 05:16 PM
Come to think of it, there were four three stooges too weren't there?

P:D

43 stooges ? No, I don't think so. There were 5 Marx Bros though.

Termite
17th November 2005, 05:18 PM
43 stooges ? No, I don't think so. There were 5 Marx Bros though.
And 6 (?) maids a milking.

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 05:28 PM
I sense a few Lords a Leaping!

:D
P

Gumby
17th November 2005, 05:42 PM
I sense a few Lords a Leaping!

:D
P

If they're naked, we'll get deleted. :rolleyes:

Termite
17th November 2005, 05:49 PM
If they're naked, we'll get deleted. :rolleyes:
First hint of a chance of being sent to the orange room (word Naked) and who does it come from? A bloke who won't go into the orange room.

Yes Gumby I am upset.

Gumby
17th November 2005, 05:52 PM
First hint of a chance of being sent to the orange room (word Naked) and who does it come from? A bloke who won't go into the orange room.

Yes Gumby I am upset.

Sorry Termy me ol' mate. I should have said nuddy. :D

(ps. I only don't go there 'cos i can't be bothered getting the password. Is it 'swordfish' ?:confused: :D )

ozwinner
17th November 2005, 05:54 PM
(ps. I only don't go there 'cos i can't be bothered getting the password. Is it 'swordfish' ?:confused: :D )

Broken Arrow, Broken Arrow.

Al :eek:

echnidna
17th November 2005, 05:57 PM
Broken Arrow, Broken Arrow.

Al :eek:

The password you entered was incorrect. Please try again.

Termite
17th November 2005, 05:57 PM
Ok mate cooled down now. Getting a bit uptight about the direction the forum seems to taking, don't know just what it is but I was off line foe a few weeks changing ISP and when I came back there was an indefinable difference to the forum that I can't quite put my finger on.
Sorry for the blast.:D

ozwinner
17th November 2005, 05:58 PM
The forum is pretty bland at the moment, but maybe thats where the mods want it to go.
It is theirs after all.
Maybe this is the globalisation thing, PC forums are the trend worldwide.

Al :(

Gumby
17th November 2005, 06:01 PM
Ok mate cooled down now.

And it only took 8 minutes too. Well done. Blood pressure normal. ;)

Termite
17th November 2005, 06:08 PM
Maybe it's the time of year, mid November, hard year, Xmas rush, high petrol prices, new IR laws, terrorist threats, mother in law, ingrown toenails, renovations must be finished before Xmas, stress stress stress........FIIK:D

Cliff Rogers
17th November 2005, 06:58 PM
We call it Mango Madness up here.

bitingmidge
17th November 2005, 07:04 PM
Down to 130/80

So they're giving the Windies a fighting chance by letting them front with a hundred batsmen eh?

Do they all field as well?

P

:D :D :D

MathewA
17th November 2005, 07:12 PM
But you'd temper your language around your mate's mother wouldn't you?

Depends...

outback
17th November 2005, 07:23 PM
But I like Real Estates.











Poor Poor , damned if ya do damned if ya don't. We whinge we want a privtate area, we get it and complain still. Perhaps we are kindergarten kids, and the teacher.
Which would explain why I piddled my pants. :D

ozwinner
17th November 2005, 07:28 PM
Poor Poor , damned if ya do damned if ya don't. We whinge we want a privtate area, we get it and complain still.

True!!
But we werent told all non pc comments would be sent to the O room.

Al :(

Gumby
17th November 2005, 07:45 PM
. We whinge we want a privtate area, we get it and complain still
:D

Not me. I never asked for it, and have never complained about somebody's post or PM. I've never complained about getting posts deleted either. It's 's call and up to him completely. If I don't like it, I make the decision to stay or leave.

Sturdee
17th November 2005, 07:51 PM
We whinge we want a private area, we get it and complain still.

Some whinged, not all. :( You are generalizing that just because a few asked for it everybody wanted it. Just like politicians claiming a mandate when they got less than the majority vote but because of gerrymandering got them into power. ( and if I mentioned names this thread would go to the orange room :eek: ).

I don't mind that it is there, it may serve a useful function to those that want to participate in it, however from what has been said sofar ( swearing, puerile pictures and offensive jokes ) I definitely have no need to participate in it or even see and look.

Neither am I complaining, I did not even enter this discussion until asked for our opinions.

As some of you may know I am not known to be backwards in coming forward with my opinions hence when asked by I came forward and offered mine.

Some agree, others don't, so as I said maybe a proper poll is needed, with a closed forum stopping debate but only allowing voting by those that are able to give valid rep points, thus eliminating the one issue non participating members.

Maybe can organize this and then the result will be an proper indication of which way to go. That way the silent majority can have a voice instead of the vocal minority that got us into this situation.


Peter.

outback
17th November 2005, 08:12 PM
Some whinged, not all. You are generalizing that just because a few asked for it everybody wanted it.

Absolutely, I am generalising, I was really trying to sympathise with . My point was the poor bugger seems to be on a hiding to nothing.


Just like politicians claiming a mandate when they got less than the majority vote but because of gerrymandering got them into power. ( and if I mentioned names this thread would go to the orange room ).


That borders on politics, which would see this thread move to the orange room. Lets just say I don't neccasarily agree with your idaes. I would love to continue this in the Orange room, as there have been a couple of good debates on politics, as well as religion.

I do agree that perhaps the orange room, moving threads, deleting threads, deleting real estates2K :D , needs to be bedded down a bit. I guess that is what is after.

E. maculata
17th November 2005, 08:16 PM
Good points for the rebuttal Peter, though in it's defence here we are conducting a sensible gentlemanly(person?) type debate as is unfolding here due to the knowledge that the first person to denigrate uneccessarily will relegate it to the section whose name may not be uttered.
Also there has been some really good debates held within the orange zone in which I for one would have valued your and others' input whom have been very noticeable by their very absence :eek:.
Sure there is some questionable material as well but I've seen worse on ebay;)

craigb
17th November 2005, 08:45 PM
Also there has been some really good debates held within the orange zone in which I for one would have valued your and others' input whom have been very noticeable by their very absence :eek:.
Sure there is some questionable material as well but I've seen worse on ebay;)

Well put. I fully agree that there have been some good debates.
IMO, one of the reasons that they are good is that people don't have to mind their P's and Q's. They also know that they are going to have to accept other peoples comebacks even if they don't like them because running to an administrator isn't an option.

As others have pointed out, first and foremost this is a woodworking site provided by the good will of Neil and the good offices of .

However to many of us regulars, it's also more than that. It's where we come to hang out with our virtual mates.

Somewhere to have a laugh and exchange ideas. And I think having somewhere we can go and be a bit boistorous without disturbing the tenor of the rest of the board is a good thing.

Perhaps moving "off" posts there from elsewhere on the board isn't the way to go though.

I don't want to come across as being critical of the admin of this place though 'cause heaven knows that it can't be easy trying to please everyone.

Personally, I hope Open Slather stays.


Cheers
Craig

Prince Charles
17th November 2005, 08:53 PM
This all that uncouth ozwinner chaps fault, I wish mummy could still hang, draw and quater the blighters.
Never mind.

Charles.

RETIRED
17th November 2005, 10:23 PM
Everyone who requested a password should have it by now. Sorry about the delay but I have been busy.

Sturdee
17th November 2005, 10:27 PM
....we are conducting a sensible gentlemanly(person?) type debate as is unfolding here due to the knowledge that the first person to denigrate unnecessarily will relegate it to the section whose name may not be uttered.


Bruce, the gentlemanly discussion is reminiscent of how the board used to be. It used to be robust and without fear of being shafted to the O room or deleted. We all knew the rule on no politics, sex or religion and generally abided with it until a few decided to test the boundaries. Rather than dealing with those individuals and maybe removing their posting ability the current changes took place.


For the record I once reported an offensive post as well as post on the board my objection for all to see. I have also contacted about 2 offensive and threatening pm's I received from "aeg20boat", informing him and asking if he preferred to deal with it rather than me starting a post about it. If that means chucking my toys out of my cot so be it. However generally I publicly debate matters rather than running to the Mods.





As others have pointed out, first and foremost this is a woodworking site provided by the good will of Neil and the good offices of .

However to many of us regulars, it's also more than that. It's where we come to hang out with our virtual mates.

Somewhere to have a laugh and exchange ideas.

Perhaps moving "off" posts there ( O room) from elsewhere on the board isn't the way to go though.

I don't want to come across as being critical of the admin of this place though 'cause heaven knows that it can't be easy trying to please everyone.


Fully agree with that Craig, but we were able to do that in the past without the O room. I am also mindfull of being critical of the admin and would not have posted if not asked for our opinions.

Peter.

Driver
17th November 2005, 10:30 PM
This all that uncouth ozwinner chaps fault, I wish mummy could still hang, draw and quater the blighters.
Never mind.

Charles.


Now listen, Chuck! You leave Al's blighters alone. They don't need to be quartered. Any further talk of quartering a bloke's blighters and we'll come over and trossach your sporran and grampian your gronicles!

craigb
17th November 2005, 10:46 PM
Now listen, Chuck! You leave Al's blighters alone. They don't need to be quartered. Any further talk of quartering a bloke's blighters and we'll come over and trossach your sporran and grampian your gronicles!

Not only that, you'll likely find yourself pressganged aboard the Very Little Gravitas Indeed :eek: