I should of known

[Grumpy John]

I was accused of being a gramma nazi on facebook the other day.

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Which brings me to the title of the post. Am I the only person that gets annoyed when I hear, or see in print, people using "of" instead of "have"?

[burraboy]

I was accused of being a gramma nazi on facebook the other day.

Which brings me to the title of the post. Am I the only person that gets annoyed when I hear, or see in print, people using "of" instead of "have"?

No, and gramma instead of grammer.

[Grumpy John]

No, and gramma instead of grammer.


Just keeping in the vane, vain, vein of the thread :D.

[Sawdust Maker]

of or off

[Grumpy John]

of or off


I should off known. That makes no sense at all :).

[elanjacobs]

There, their and they're
Your and you're
Ending a sentence with the word 'but'
Using commas for plurals

The list is endless

[Pittwater Pete]

Not using punctuation.

[A Duke]

i instead of I

[labr@]

... gramma instead of grammer.

How dare you taunt us with that? You rotten swine!:bns:

Just relax John. I don't actually feel annoyance any more, I just adopt an attitude of supercilious tolerance and only point something out if it causes some potentially serious change of meaning. You should try it.

[DaveTTC]

Eye sit a muse 'd as eye have red such things in numerace places.

I do rather enjoy words though my spelling comes across rather deplorable when I'm using my phone

[Grumpy John]

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and only point something out if it causes some potentially serious change of meaning.
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I do not usually let these things get to me, but the wording of the persons post suggested that the object in the photo was no longer available to be photographed. When in actual fact it was.

[DaveTTC]

had he said "I was at ..... " then it wood ave been write

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[RedShirtGuy]

"try to" and "try and"

I'm going to try to win the race. (correct)
I'm going to try and win the race. (incorrect - "and" makes the "try" successful by default so both words are superfluous)

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"Me and my mates..."
"My mates and I..."

I've asked around in teaching and literary circles on this one and haven't had a clear answer. I was taught and prefer the latter, but it seems the former is acceptable and correct now.

[NCArcher]

"Me and my mates..."
"My mates and I..."

I've asked around in teaching and literary circles on this one and haven't had a clear answer. I was taught and prefer the latter, but it seems the former is acceptable and correct now.

That's an easy one. Straight from the horses mouth so to speak...
"My husband and I would like to wish our loyal subjects......"
Not " Me and my husband....". :kneel:

[Sawdust Maker]

I should off known. That makes no sense at all :).


That makes heaps of cents too me!

[Chesand]

The interchange and wrong use of "I" and "me" annoys me (or should I have typed I) intensely. :(

Even Mark Nicholas on the cricket used "I" instead of "me" the other day.

[Master Splinter]

My pet peeve's -

People who Capitalise lots of Words in what they Write (because they think they are Proper Nouns and need Caps), followed by people WHO upper CASE entire words for no apparent REASON that I am ABLE to work OUT because they ARE certainly not DOING it for emphasis in any WAY that makes sense.

And of course people who use an apostrophe as an indicator to say "Look out! There's an 's' at the end of a word coming up!!!!11".

I also must start commenting on American YouTube plumbing videos that it's "sol-der", not "sod-der", and the process is "sol-der-ing" not "sod-der-ing".

[rrich]

Or

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste." A common slogan in certain television commercials encouraging minorities to go to college.

Actually, a mind is NOT a terrible thing but it is terrible to waste the resources of a mind.

[Grumpy John]

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I also must start commenting on American YouTube plumbing videos that it's "sol-der", not "sod-der", and the process is "sol-der-ing" not "sod-der-ing".

Maybe it's like aluminum, there is no i in the American spelling of aluminium.

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/32lwey/why_do_americans_say_the_word_solder_without/

http://grammarist.com/spelling/aluminium-aluminum/



(http://grammarist.com/spelling/aluminium-aluminum/)

[Twisted Tenon]

I read an article a while back that said that before the invention of the printing press that English as she was wrote was a free for all. There were no hard and fast grammatical rules. Fast forward to the invention of a new communication device called the mobile phone, and it was let off the leash again. It will be interesting to see where it will all end up.

TT

[elanjacobs]

"Me and my mates..."
"My mates and I..."

I've asked around in teaching and literary circles on this one and haven't had a clear answer. I was taught and prefer the latter, but it seems the former is acceptable and correct now.
Both are correct, depending on context. They way to determine which one to use is to remove the other party from the sentence and see if it still makes sense. For example:

"My mates and I are going to the cricket" (remove the mates and the sentence is still correct).

However,

"This gift is from my mates and I" doesn't work without the mates (you can't say this gift is from I), so you would say "This gift is from me and my mates" (or "my mates and me", both are acceptable).

[Master Splinter]

Remember, kiddies, there's a world of difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.

[A Duke]

And capitals do not matter
I helped my uncle Jack off a horse.
I helped my uncle jack off a horse.
:doh:

[powderpost]

The policeman said, the boy is a thief.
The policeman, said the boy, is a thief.

Play with that one?????


Jim

[DaveTTC]

And capitals do not matter
I helped my uncle Jack off a horse.
I helped my uncle jack off a horse.
:doh:
Is that as in a trolley jack

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Twisted Tenon]

Or
I had an argument with my brother
I had had an argument with my brother

TT

[fxst]

Another word that annoys me no end is payed instead of paid. What are they teaching this generation?
Pete

[rwbuild]

Try this one

I saw a dead dog walking down the road

Walking down the road, I saw a dead dog

I saw walking down the road a dead dog

[RedShirtGuy]

ZOMBIE CANINES!!!! The apocalypse has come!!!!

(I vote the middle one for correctness...unless of course the dead pets really have arisen)



PS: Years ago I had an originals band called Dead Pets. Where I got the name from is probably a tale best left in private :o

[mike48]

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"Me and my mates..."

Sorry, but ...

It should have been "Me and me mates"!


A most enjoyable thread; thanks.

[Boringgeoff]

I cringe when I see or hear "us" used instead of "we" as from a news reader on TV recently "us Australians are living beyond..." should be we Australians.

[62woollybugger]

The one that annoys me most is "somethink", "nothink" etc. I've heard supposedly well educated people pronounce words that way.

[Grumpy John]

Another word that annoys me no end is payed instead of paid. What are they teaching this generation?
Pete

So, if the past tense of pay is paid, why isn't the past tense of play plaid? Is it because plaid is used by the yanks instead of tartan?
And how come the past tense of say is said, but pronounced sed?

Not wonder I hated english, or should that be English, in school.

[rustynail]

Only a matter of time before we return to the primeval grunt.

[Sawdust Maker]

Only a matter of time before we return to the primeval grunt.


I've an 18 year old that/whom/who/? is already there!

[elanjacobs]

I've an 18 year old that/whom/who/? is already there!
Who

[doug3030]

Another word that annoys me no end is payed instead of paid. What are they teaching this generation?
Pete

Actually "payed" is a legitimate word, and is in fact the past tense of "to pay" but a very different meaning of the word "pay" than you usually see it in.

"Payed" is the past tense of the now archaic meaning of "pay" which means to seal a deck with rope and tar, and is not gramatically correct for having given someone money. However there are those out there who argue that it is in the dictionary so they can use it. Its like saying that "whether" and "weather" are interchangeable because they are both in the dictionary too.

Cheers

Doug

[rwbuild]

The one that annoys me most is "somethink", "nothink" etc. I've heard supposedly well educated people pronounce words that way.

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This is actually correct, some do think, others don't think

[A Duke]

If the spell checker does not under line it it is OK.
:rolleyes:

[Grumpy John]

If the spell checker does not under line it it is OK.
:rolleyes:

Depends if you've got it set to American or English.

[Grumpy John]

Top of my list is when advertisers claim "10 times less". Idiots.

[Sawdust Maker]

If the spell checker does not under line it it is OK.
:rolleyes:

I've recently seen some idjit argue that his use of the word strait rather than straight was legitimate as the spellcheck didn't underline it!

[elanjacobs]

I've recently seen some idjit argue that his use of the word strait rather than straight was legitimate as the spellcheck didn't underline it!
Unfortunately, spellcheck only tells you if you've spelt a word correctly, not if you've used it correctly

[chrisb691]

top of my list is when advertisers claim "10 times less". Idiots.
yes, yes, yes.

[elanjacobs]

People using "f" instead of "th" :((

[chrisb691]

It's 97% fat free. It's sodding got 3% fat.

[elanjacobs]

It's 97% fat free. It's sodding got 3% fat.
And 30% sugar; something has to give it flavour :rolleyes:

[AlexS]

And 30% sugar; something has to give it flavour :rolleyes:That'd be the salt.:wink:

[DaveTTC]

GPS. Literal translation. This system is so flawed.

Take and average cross road with a roundabout. Essentially two roads we will call one East St upon which you are travelling and the other North St

GPS "at the roundabout take the second exit onto East St"

It is telling me to effectively do a U turn. The first exit on to East St would take me straight.

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[elanjacobs]

GPS. Literal translation. This system is so flawed.

Take and average cross road with a roundabout. Essentially two roads we will call one East St upon which you are travelling and the other North St

GPS "at the roundabout take the second exit onto East St"

It is telling me to effectively do a U turn. The first exit on to East St would take me straight.

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art
You've lost me...(pun slightly intended)
If it's your standard, 4-way roundabout, the first exit is left, second is straight and third is right.

[DaveTTC]

But if its the second exit 'onto East St' then the first exit onto East St would be straight and the 'second exit onto East St ' would be a U turn 😉

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Sawdust Maker]

The thing about GPS stuff is that you have to be so particular
I had someone tell me their address was in Chatswood or Chatswood West. Turned out they lived in Lane Cove North
So you put in the suburb and then the street doesn't exist :doh:

and Bankstown Athletics track isn't in Bankstown

[elanjacobs]

But if its the second exit 'onto East St' then the first exit onto East St would be straight and the 'second exit onto East St ' would be a U turn
It's the second exit *comma* onto East St.
This is why Victor Borge's phonetic punctuation makes sense :p

[DaveTTC]

It's the second exit *comma* onto East St.
This is why Victor Borge's phonetic punctuation makes sense [emoji14]
Cant hear the comma and I think a comma would be poor grammar

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[elanjacobs]

Cant hear the comma and I think a comma would be poor grammar
Nope, a comma is proper grammar. It indicates that "onto East St" is a clause on "the second exit", rather than the second East St exit (which would be a U-turn).

[Ari2]

http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by chrisb691 http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f43/i-should-of-known-201721-post1921085#post1921085)
It's 97% fat free. It's sodding got 3% fat.







And 30% sugar; something has to give it flavour :rolleyes:

That would mean it has contents of 130%:rolleyes:

[elanjacobs]

That would mean it has contents of 130%:rolleyes:
Ummm, the 30% sugar is part of the 97% that isn't fat....

[Ari2]

Ummm, the 30% sugar is part of the 97% that isn't fat....

Ofcourse, silly me, not to mention the artificial colouring, emulsifiers, preservatives...etc., etc.

[chrisb691]

Ofcourse, silly me, not to mention the artificial colouring, emulsifiers, preservatives...etc., etc.

Pretty much the only part safe to eat, is the 3% fat bit.

[Handyjack]

Pretty much the only part safe to eat, is the 3% fat bit.

No the safe bit is the packaging - but it might taste like cardboard or plastic.

[artme]

Just flicked through this thread and it has touched a few raw nerves, but I guess that's life.

I think we all make grammatical slip ups from time to time and we all get peed off by food
labeling.

Makes life interesting.

[doug3030]

If the spell checker does not under line it it is OK. :rolleyes:

Eye Halve a Spelling ChequerEye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a quay and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its really ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect in it's weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.

Cheers

Doug

[ian]

I was accused of being a gramma nazi on facebook the other day.

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wear the badge with pride

[Chris Parks]

My favorite hate is when I receive an email and it starts with "Hey mate". Don't people know how to address others using the written word?

[Big Shed]

Chris, you're lucky they use a salutation at all:roll:

A lot of emails and (especially) PMs I receive have no salutation, no capitals, no punctuation and no name at the end.

Won't even talk about texts:no:

[ian]

Eye Halve a Spelling Chequer

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a quay and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its really ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect in it's weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.

Brilliant Doug, I didn't know we had such an erudite writer among us.

:AO:

[ian]

GPS. Literal translation. This system is so flawed.

Take and average cross road with a roundabout. Essentially two roads we will call one East St upon which you are travelling and the other North St

GPS "at the roundabout take the second exit onto East St"

It is telling me to effectively do a U turn. The first exit on to East St would take me straight.

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Artoh the perils of the silent comma and it's friends, the silent colon and silent semi-colon

[ian]

It's 97% fat free. It's sodding got 3% fat.
Hi Chris

the sad part is that with food, you really only have two flavour carriers -- sugar or fat.

Weight watchers, et al, have very effectively sold the line that fat is BAD, so 97% fat free -- a big "good" number -- is always going to be "better" for us than a small "bad" number like "contains 3% fat"

the really sad part, is that fat is replaced by sugar, so "97% fat free" really means around 30% sugar, the calories in which are not very good for us.

[Twisted Tenon]

My favorite hate is when I receive an email and it starts with "Hey mate". Don't people know how to address others using the written word?

Is this a formal work place type of email you are referring to Chris?

TT

[doug3030]

Brilliant Doug, I didn't know we had such an erudite writer among us.

:AO:

I didn't write it Ian. I just remembered having seen it and googled it for appropriate use here.

It was on the internet but listed as an anonymous source, otherwise I would have credited the author.

Cheers

Doug

[ian]

still it's a very clever bit of writing

[P.W.H.]

Here are some others that make me roll my eyes:

peddled - pedalled
principle - principal (both school and bank account)
gourmet - gourmand (yes, really!)

The new fashion in America is to get breathe and breath mixed up. I consistently come across that. "He could not breath". "She stopped running and caught her breathe".
As well, they don't know where to put an apostrophe and when to leave it out: "He owned five car's (as plural)".

When I see that kind of thing in a supposedly edited short story, published on the 'net, it just makes both author and editor look like right real wallies (wallettes?wandas?).
Reading Typonese is one thing, and it doesn't bother me hugely, but not knowing to use the right word?!?
(and English isn't even my first language) :~

[FenceFurniture]

GJ, a thought just occurred to me (yes, yes, I know). Perhaps the "should have/should of" thing comes from an aural mix-up of the abbreviated form "should've". It sounds very much like "should of".

I do hope you can rest better now :D

[Chesand]

Brett

You need to be careful - thinking can be dangerous. :D:D

[Chris Parks]

Is this a formal work place type of email you are referring to Chris?

TT

TT, no it applies to any email I receive, surely the writer of the email can take the time to either use the recipient's name or use "hallo" or something else besides "hey mate". The courtesies of this world are slowly being eroded but I am a cranky old fart so perhaps it is just me. Do they still teach GRAMMAR at school within the English subject curriculum? Another pet peeve is Microsoft's dictionary trying to correct the use of "s" in words and insisting it should be "z" when posting on line. I could really get on my soap box so I had best leave it there as I have been told many times what does it matter if a person can't spell or construct sentences so they may be read. I do notice that as I get older my skills in constructing sentences and using the correct punctuation are rapidly going down hill so perhaps I should not be too critical of others.

[kiwigeo]

English is a dynamic language..it's changing all the time. If it wasn't we'd still be speaking the way they did back in Medieval times.

[Chris Parks]

English is a dynamic language..it's changing all the time. If it wasn't we'd still be speaking the way they did back in Medieval times.

Yes, but what has that got to do with using proper salutations in an email? It certainly has not changed to make "hey mate" a courteous salutation, at least not in my view and a lot of others agree. Of course my objection to it won't change anything but it makes me feel better.

[cava]

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but 'then vs than' gives me the irrits(sp)!

[kiwigeo]

Yes, but what has that got to do with using proper salutations in an email? It certainly has not changed to make "hey mate" a courteous salutation, at least not in my view and a lot of others agree. Of course my objection to it won't change anything but it makes me feel better.


If the email was from a total stranger I'd probably have issues with the salutation but if it was from some one I know I wouldn't have much issue with the informal greeting. I tend to treat emails as a less formal means of communication than a written letter.

I'm sure that even what you consider a "formal" greeting in this day and age would be considered overly informal or perhaps even rude back in Medieval times....:)

[Toymaker Len]

'Should of known"? That should read "Should have known" lol.

[Boringgeoff]

A workmate used to say supposibly instead of supposedly, and "I'm used of it".
The cabling connecting various components of the mobile concrete plant to the control centre was known as the "umbilical" one of the managers used to refer to it as the "biblical". That used to make me smile.
One thing I detest is the use of us instead of we, as in "us forum members are..." it should read "we forum members are..."
My tag line above says "try not to be late, but....' should it read "try to not be late, but..?
I used to deliberately twist words when the kids were small, for instance point out some pellingtons swimming in the lake, Daaaad! My dreams came true a couple of years ago on a tour of the phosphate mine at Wellington NSW. The young lady tour guide made mention that we might find a "skellington" in there. I asked of the possibility of finding a "pellington skellington" and after a brief pause and with a grin she thought we might.
Cheers,
Geoff.

[Glenn.Visca]

We had quite a lengthy conversation at work one day, and found the answer to the following question was largely dictated by your religion.

Is "H" pronounced as haitch or aitch ?

We found those of the catholic faith had a very staunch and opposing view to the rest of us (we) heathens.

Now ... please don't offend me and copy/paste grammar laws that start with "In US English ..." - or I shall be forced to launch my phone across the room.

[BobL]

We had quite a lengthy conversation at work one day, and found the answer to the following question was largely dictated by your religion.
Is "H" pronounced as haitch or aitch ?
We found those of the catholic faith had a very staunch and opposing view to the rest of us (we) heathens.
Now ... please don't offend me and copy/paste grammar laws that start with "In US English ..." - or I shall be forced to launch my phone across the room.

Might have been the case in your sample and was probably widespread many years ago - but that distinction has long gone.
Even 40 years ago teaching in low socio economic area government schools I reckon I heard more Haitches than "aitches"
That might have been consistent with a supposed class distinction but even that now seems to be in doubt
see The H wars: Aitch or haitch? - Books and Arts - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/booksandarts/the-h-wars-aitch-or-haitch/7541200)

[Boringgeoff]

My late Grandfather in law had this tale from the days of trams in Perth. The tram used to pass Havelock and Outram streets. Conductor "Avelock Street! 'Avelock Street!" Passenger, "I say my good man you've dropped your aitch." Conductor, "Don't worry sir, we'll pick it up at Houtram'