Womens Sheds

[MAPLEMAN]

'Mens Sheds' are popping up all over the place,which is great..but what about the idea of 'Womens Sheds',as they too(women) enjoy woodwork/craft etc!And they too need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social :;.Just thought i'd put the idea out there,hope it comes to fruition..Cheers MM :2tsup:

[tea lady]

Lots of women are members at the Knox Woodworkers. I don't think it is a "men's shed" as such. Not specifically set up for mental health but cos people wanted to do woodwork.

I think some men's sheds have women's days. :think: I'm not sure I really want a separate day, but I have been told in the past that men get embarressed about talking about personal stuff if there are women around.

[Avery]

Mens Sheds were not really set up for the purpose of woodwork or craft - that is just a means to an end.

Mens Sheds were set up to promote the health of older men. There are many places , if you are interested , where you can read about the reasons behind the movement.

I think most Mens Sheds have women members and I think most would welcome participation from anyone , providing that they have in mind that the purpose is to promote the health of older men.

[MAPLEMAN]

I think most Mens Sheds have women members Then why call them Mens Sheds:?..i am suggesting a place(s)where women can collectively socialise,not unlike a Mens Shed..a place that is NOT male orientated,a Womens Shed.Women have health issues too,be it mental or physical..and i reckon they deserve their OWN place to hang out,chill and be themselves..that's all...MM :2tsup:

[bench1holio]

Then why call them Mens Sheds:?..i am suggesting a place(s)where women can collectively socialise,not unlike a Mens Shed..a place that is NOT male orientated,a Womens Shed.Women have health issues too,be it mental or physical..and i reckon they deserve their OWN place to hang out,chill and be themselves..that's all...MM :2tsup:

Chris, women already have that place....it’s called the kitchen! :D

[wheelinround]

'Mens Sheds' are popping up all over the place,which is great..but what about the idea of 'Womens Sheds',as they too(women) enjoy woodwork/craft etc!And they too need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social :;.Just thought i'd put the idea out there,hope it comes to fruition..Cheers MM :2tsup:

Chris your out of touch as far as woman and sheds go they have had them for so long its not funny. Country Womans Ass CWA, Spinners & Weavers, Knitters Guilds, Craft centres and much much more. Sadly due to age and low numbers these like many other clubs are slowly on the way out, other factors such as lifestyle changes etc also come into play.

Many Men Sheds have it written into consitutions MEN ONLY some as can be seen on Mens Shed Youtube have woman also as these often are the carers of hubby or are woodworkers themselves. These are mainly country centres where travle into town etc is shared time. Of all the Mens Sheds and some woodies clubs I have atteneded metro area woman are frowned on one club telling LOML and I she would have to go shopping or something I never returned.

[MAPLEMAN]

Chris, women already have that place....it’s called the kitchen! :DYou'll be sleeping outside tonight if she reads this Ben...and tomorrow night,and the one after!:D

[wheelinround]

Mens Sheds were not really set up for the purpose of woodwork or craft - that is just a means to an end.

Mens Sheds were set up to promote the health of older men. There are many places , if you are interested , where you can read about the reasons behind the movement.

I think most Mens Sheds have women members and I think most would welcome participation from anyone , providing that they have in mind that the purpose is to promote the health of older men.


Avery many Mens Sheds 5 or 6 I have been to are well set up one so good I/we are considering moving the as they have everything from computers to auto maintenance including metal and woodwork.

Promote the health of older men :rofl: yeh right BBQ breakfasts, sausage sizzle lunches, coffee and tea all day long sit around and chat get fatter oh they do these at least at 4 of the shed visted. One shed I have heard of had fights over which beer to stock.:roll:

I understand AMSA Men Shed is run by a woman (I have had emails from her) its a conspiracy by women who do not want hubby sitting about ruining the life they have created all those years while hubby was at work.:;

[Avery]

Then why call them Mens Sheds:?..i am suggesting a place(s)where women can collectively socialise,not unlike a Mens Shed..a place that is NOT male orientated,a Womens Shed.Women have health issues too,be it mental or physical..and i reckon they deserve their OWN place to hang out,chill and be themselves..that's all...MM :2tsup:

I don't disagree at all MM.

My only problem is that over the years lots of people have tried to piggyback on the success of Mens Sheds. Mens Sheds often get their funding through public and private grants that are specifically targetted to mens health. To perhaps dilute that with other interest groups means that the ability of the Mens Shed organisation to do their good work may be reduced

There are lots of woodworking, woodturning, gardening, and other special interest clubs that have survived and done good work for many years. They are not Mens Sheds.They will continue to serve the special interest needs of all sorts of people, but they are NOT Mens Sheds.

[MAPLEMAN]

Chris your out of touch as far as woman and sheds go they have had them for so long its not funny. Country Womans Ass CWA, Spinners & Weavers, Knitters Guilds, Craft centres and much much more. Sadly due to age and low numbers these like many other clubs are slowly on the way out, other factors such as lifestyle changes etc also come into play.

Many Men Sheds have it written into consitutions MEN ONLY some as can be seen on Mens Shed Youtube have woman also as these often are the carers of hubby or are woodworkers themselves. These are mainly country centres where travle into town etc is shared time. Of all the Mens Sheds and some woodies clubs I have atteneded metro area woman are frowned on one club telling LOML and I she would have to go shopping or something I never returned.Ray,i'm suggesting a place(s) that is new and fresh..not any of the abovementioned..a 'Womens Shed',just like the blokes have got..MM:2tsup:

[Avery]

Avery many Mens Sheds 5 or 6 I have been to are well set up one so good I/we are considering moving the as they have everything from computers to auto maintenance including metal and woodwork.

Promote the health of older men :rofl: yeh right BBQ breakfasts, sausage sizzle lunches, coffee and tea all day long sit around and chat get fatter oh they do these at least at 4 of the shed visted. One shed I have heard of had fights over which beer to stock.:roll:

I understand AMSA Men Shed is run by a woman (I have had emails from her) its a conspiracy by women who do not want hubby sitting about ruining the life they have created all those years while hubby was at work.:;


I have no problem with the organisation being run by a woman - I mean the country was run by a woman fora couple of years...

What you said about " all those years while hubby was at work" kind of goes to theheart of the matter. Traditionally men worked 8 or more hours every day and their socialisation revolved around that work. When they retired they had no friends and no way to make friends hence the idea of a place to work and meet new people.
I know it sounds cheesy but it has worked. lonliness and depression are very, very real illnesses. Mens Sheds have done much to help.

Please don't trivialise a very important need . I thinkyou know what i mean.

[MAPLEMAN]

lonliness and depression are very, very real illnesses. Mens Sheds have done much to help.

.These health issues aren't gender discriminate..so a Womens Shed would surely offer similar benefits..MM:2tsup:

[Avery]

These health issues aren't gender discriminate..so a Womens Shed would surely offer similar benefits..MM:2tsup:



I totally agree Mapleman.

Go ahead , set up a Womens Shed organisation, or just one Womens Shed. A great idea. Find a need, specify some objectives, perhaps write a constitution and work like hell toget it going. You have my total support.


Just don't use the Mens Shed organisation, or a specific Mens Shed as free resource.

[MAPLEMAN]

Just don't use the Mens Shed organisation, or a specific Mens Shed as free resource.All good,would never do that..i only have good intentions..thanks for articulating positive interest in this thread Avery,i am appreciative..MM:2tsup:

[Sturdee]

These health issues aren't gender discriminate..so a Womens Shed would surely offer similar benefits..MM:2tsup:

No problem with that view and they are at liberty to set up their own shed if enough women in an area want it.


I'm a volunteer at one of the first sheds in Victoria (been going for at least 11 years) and ours is set up by the local Community Health Service for Mens health.

During the years that I've been there the only woman that regularly came was the young female correction officer who came with one of her community service charge as part of his rehabilitation. Except in circumstances like that it's a male only set up.

There is a lot of confusion in the community as to what a shed is, what it does and how, as each shed is different. We get a lot of enquiries as to can you make something for me, fix something for me or can we come and use your facilities. All of which we decline as what we do is usually for a shed member, or their family, and at our own pace as for most of us the journey is the healing part rather then the finish.

Hope that clears some misconceptions as I groan each time when I read the suggestion to try a Mens shed to make something or use their equipment.


Peter.

[Scott]

I'm going to be a little disingenuous here Chris but I need to ask this question. If (and only if) a 'Women's Shed' gets off the ground then would men be welcome?

[MAPLEMAN]

I'm going to be a little disingenuous here Chris but I need to ask this question. If (and only if) a 'Women's Shed' gets of the ground then would men be welcome?I would like to think so Scott..MM:2tsup:

[A Duke]

Chris, women already have that place....it’s called the kitchen! :D

Go out to the shed and make her a new rolling pin to beat you with.
:oo:

[MAPLEMAN]

Go out to the shed and make her a new rolling pin to beat you with.
:oo:Hugh,she is beating him with it now:smack:..MM :D

[wheelinround]

I have no problem with the organisation being run by a woman - I mean the country was run by a woman fora couple of years...

What you said about " all those years while hubby was at work" kind of goes to theheart of the matter. Traditionally men worked 8 or more hours every day and their socialisation revolved around that work. When they retired they had no friends and no way to make friends hence the idea of a place to work and meet new people.
I know it sounds cheesy but it has worked. lonliness and depression are very, very real illnesses. Mens Sheds have done much to help.

Please don't trivialise a very important need . I thinkyou know what i mean.

Trivialise sorry but have you seen the commercial on TV with Dr Brian Ironwood? (NOT A REAL Dr) for starters they/he is false advertising.

ASMSA has no policy regarding disabled access this is not just being able to enter the place and use the loo its about being respected for who you are what you know and what you can achieve. No policy regarding disabled who need carer's along with them in fact some Men's Shed's have gone as far as discrimination by stating "No Women" or "Men Only" this stops any male from becoming a member who's wife is his carer or has a female carer. I am one of these Avery!!!!!!!!

Yes well I have known many a woman's group over my working life and have seen how well they can run their organisations.

Then of course like Thatcher and Gillard :rolleyes:

Avery I agree with your statement regarding retiree's but you have pointed out one important fact that many have No social skills to make new friends while many others do through such as Fishing, Golf, Shooting, motor sports all of which share with female members and partners.

I have always been very much a loner it is since becoming involved with woodwork and a couple of clubs, this forum I have gained new freinds and found some old ones also.

The world wide movement of Men Sheds I think you should take a look at where and why they were started not the BS fed here downunder.

[wheelinround]

These health issues aren't gender discriminate..so a Womens Shed would surely offer similar benefits..MM:2tsup:

Your dead right but it goes deeper Chris see my post reply to Avery re discrimination in many of the Mens Shed's I have visited.


Still female groups have been around for many many many years Chris so have men's they used to meet at pubs, clubs, sporting events, and much more.

[MAPLEMAN]

A No policy regarding disabled who need carer's along with them in fact some Men's Shed's have gone as far as discrimination by stating "No Women" or "Men Only" this stops any male from becoming a member who's wife is his carer or has a female carer. I am one of these Avery!!!!!!!!

.When i read stuff like this,it makes me want to :puke: :~...'No Women' or 'Men Only' slogans are 'old school' relics that should have died with the dinosaurs,long,long ago..talk about discrimatory..more reason to start up a 'Womens Shed',where women,carers,and men are welcome..no boundaries,no bull s=1t..MM:2tsup:

[Scott]

The reason I asked the question, "will men be allowed in a woman's shed" is because in the real world women are an exclusive lot, when they have something to themselves they tend to want to keep it to themselves. Let me give you a jaw dropping example:

Australian national women's organisations (http://www.nwjc.org.au/womensorgs.html)

There is even an 'Australian Women's Motorsport Network', 'Women in Engineering', 'National Association of Women in Construction' and so forth.

The questions that REALLY need asking are things like:


Why do men have trouble defining a "men only culture".
Why do women only clubs don't have trouble defining a "women only culture".


I HONESTLY think that we (men) REALLY need to push forth with a 'men only' culture in respect to Men's Sheds. We need to redefine ourselves. Fundamentally we (men) have had our identity eroded by feminist movement. Mind you, we have had to evolve in areas where 'family' are involved, things were too patriarchal. Now things are too 'matriarchal'. Ultimately what is wrong with a 'men only' organistion?

To answer your question though Chris. 'The Shed' and what occurs in 'The Shed', things like woodworking, metalworking, cars etc are activities that men tend to gravitate towards. I see absolutely nothing wrong with an organisation labelled 'Woman's Sheds' however trying to define what goes on inside those 'sheds' is a little bit more difficult.

I'm at a loss though as to why this question is pitched at a largely male audience. If women want a 'Woman's Shed' then let them go for it, no-one is stopping this from occurring, I fundamentally have no objection. In the meantime there are hundreds of 'Female' orientated organisations within Australia females can join. Just click on the link above or the same link here:

Australian national women's organisations (http://www.nwjc.org.au/womensorgs.html)

[A Duke]

Perhaps we need a people shed, no persons allowed.
Any one who saw Gerry Lewis in Cinderfella will know what I mean.
Regards

[MAPLEMAN]

The reason I asked the question, "will men be allowed in a woman's shed" is because in the real world women are an exclusive lot, when they have something to themselves they tend to want to keep it to themselves. Let me give you a jaw dropping example:

Australian national women's organisations (http://www.nwjc.org.au/womensorgs.html)

There is even an 'Australian Women's Motorsport Network', 'Women in Engineering', 'National Association of Women in Construction' and so forth.

The questions that REALLY need asking are things like:


Why do men have trouble defining a "men only culture".
Why do women only clubs don't have trouble defining a "women only culture".


I HONESTLY think that we (men) REALLY need to push forth with a 'men only' culture in respect to Men's Sheds. We need to redefine ourselves. Fundamentally we (men) have had our identity eroded by feminist movement. Mind you, we have had to evolve in areas where 'family' are involved, things were too patriarchal. Now things are too 'matriarchal'. Ultimately what is wrong with a 'men only' organistion?

To answer your question though Chris. 'The Shed' and what occurs in 'The Shed', things like woodworking, metalworking, cars etc are activities that men tend to gravitate towards. I see absolutely nothing wrong with an organisation labelled 'Woman's Sheds' however trying to define what goes on inside those 'sheds' is a little bit more difficult.

I'm at a loss though as to why this question is pitched at a largely male audience. If women want a 'Woman's Shed' then let them go for it, no-one is stopping this from occurring, I fundamentally have no objection. In the meantime there are hundreds of 'Female' orientated organisations within Australia females can join. Just click on the link above or the same link here:

Australian national women's organisations (http://www.nwjc.org.au/womensorgs.html)Thanks for your thoughts Scott..my idea came about after speaking to a number of local women,who are themselves lonely,some disabled(mentally and physically) and voiced the need for a place where like minded women could collectively hang out and socialise.I felt that the 'Mens Shed' model would provide,at the least,a reasonable alternative for the ladies too.Why put the idea to a largely male audience?Didn't give that much thought,but when you think about it,surely all the blokes on this forum would be in support of helping to maintain and nurture the mental and physical health of their female partners/sisters etc.I personally find 'Men Only' organisations outdated and creepy :(,i don't feel i need to elaborate though.As for the remark about not being able to define what would happen in a womens shed,i can only surmise that you must have been very sleepy and your cognitive functioning may have been compromised :sleep3:...women too engage in 'blokey' activities,along with a host of other things(toooo lengthy to mention)...i am sure they will find ways to entertain themselves Scott :;. Alot of men,by nature,are control freaks,i am sure that the idea of sexual and social equality must challenge them to the core...they feel threatened!! Look, i am simply advocating a set up for women(all ages and creeds),that is not dissimilar to what the blokes have(a 'Mens Shed)...as i said,mental and physical issues are universal,NOTgender specific:no:,and if the 'Mens Sheds' are are providing health benefits for its patrons,then i see no reason why it would be any different for the ladies..Scott,we live in a rural area where we don't even have public transport:oo:..i can tell you categorically that there are many,many lonely souls around here that need somewhere to go and feel welcome...i am going to push myself to make it happen for them..Cheers MM:2tsup:

[Sturdee]

..................my idea came about after speaking to a number of local women,who are themselves lonely,some disabled(mentally and physically) and voiced the need for a place where like minded women could collectively hang out and socialise. ........................................ I felt that the 'Mens Shed' model would provide,at the least,a reasonable alternative for the ladies too. I am simply advocating a set up for women(all ages and creeds),that is not dissimilar to what the blokes have(a 'Mens Shed)...

That makes your position clearer and I for one would support that, especially in the country where there are less facilities than in the cities. I'm sure that the model for the Mens Shed would work very well for women as well.

Another possibility for you to consider is a joint community shed with separate days (and committees) for women and men as this would help to get funding from your local council and community groups.

The problem with those that feel that women should be able to go to a Mens Shed is to overlook the main purpose of the sheds and that is for helping men with their health journey through their later life. By being together and doing things with other men of their same age that they learn to trust allows them to talk and help each other. As I said before it's the journey not the end result of what we make or do that's important.

As some of you may be aware I've got prostate cancer. At the shed we talked about my cancer journey, the treatment of a radical prostectomy and then the recurrence and the subsequent hormone deprivation treatment and my radiation treatment. We talked about the problems and side effects that I have had and still have. As a result of that all the guys now have regular checkups for they don't want to go through a similar journey. Others have other problems and stories that get shared, learned from, and supported. I know that during the 7 weeks of daily radiation treatment there would have been many guys that would have driven me to and from the hospital if I had needed it. That kind of support is generated within the shed I volunteer at.

I doubt that I would have been able to be so open about the unexpected side effect of the operation or the effect of the long term hormone deprivation treatment, where for three years my body did not produce testosterone, in a mixed company. Similarly I wouldn't think that women would feel comfortable talking about breast cancer and its treatment or other women specific health problems in mixed company.

I hope that might explain why sheds should be separate, one for men and another for women if there is a need in a specific area.

Ray, I note your comments about your wife being your carer and the problems that create. As our shed is specifically set up for caring for men by our Community Health Service it is run by a paid organizer, who is qualified to act as a carer, so guys come and leave their carer at home and they also get a break. Pity that other sheds don't have that ability.


Peter.

[MAPLEMAN]

That makes your position clearer and I for one would support that, especially in the country where there are less facilities than in the cities. I'm sure that the model for the Mens Shed would work very well for women as well.

Another possibility for you to consider is a joint community shed with separate days (and committees) for women and men as this would help to get funding from your local council and community groups.

The problem with those that feel that women should be able to go to a Mens Shed is to overlook the main purpose of the sheds and that is for helping men with their health journey through their later life. By being together and doing things with other men of their same age that they learn to trust allows them to talk and help each other. As I said before it's the journey not the end result of what we make or do that's important.

As some of you may be aware I've got prostate cancer. At the shed we talked about my cancer journey, the treatment of a radical prostectomy and then the recurrence and the subsequent hormone deprivation treatment and my radiation treatment. We talked about the problems and side effects that I have had and still have. As a result of that all the guys now have regular checkups for they don't want to go through a similar journey. Others have other problems and stories that get shared, learned from, and supported. I know that during the 7 weeks of daily radiation treatment there would have been many guys that would have driven me to and from the hospital if I had needed it. That kind of support is generated within the shed I volunteer at.

I doubt that I would have been able to be so open about the unexpected side effect of the operation or the effect of the long term hormone deprivation treatment, where for three years my body did not produce testosterone, in a mixed company. Similarly I wouldn't think that women would feel comfortable talking about breast cancer and its treatment or other women specific health problems in mixed company.

I hope that might explain why sheds should be separate, one for men and another for women if there is a need in a specific area.

Ray, I note your comments about your wife being your carer and the problems that create. As our shed is specifically set up for caring for men by our Community Health Service it is run by a paid organizer, who is qualified to act as a carer, so guys come and leave their carer at home and they also get a break. Pity that other sheds don't have that ability.


Peter.Thanks Pete for your supportive and informative reply.. i am sorry to hear of your battle with cancer,hope your recovery is swift and successful:2tsup:and great to see that the blokes at your shed are a caring mob :;...will contact council and chew the fat with them about what resources are available potentially,thanks again Peter for sharing your story:2tsup:..MM

[wheelinround]

Ray, I note your comments about your wife being your carer and the problems that create. As our shed is specifically set up for caring for men by our Community Health Service it is run by a paid organizer, who is qualified to act as a carer, so guys come and leave their carer at home and they also get a break. Pity that other sheds don't have that ability.


Peter.

Peter that sounds great well done for your shed and thats something that many should be considering.

For me there is just two things I would prefer Sue to do for me than some bloke one in particular I'll pm you.:;

[tea lady]

Well I am glad I was near a wood working place that was not specifically a "men's shed". I did not want to go and bake cakes and crochet. I think it has a wonderful balance of members. People who are there for the company. People who a dedicated to the community. People who are there to share skills. Quite a few blokes with carers come too. And I think quite a few old geezers have discovered that women are people too. (Perhaps some men never mix with women that are not related to them. )

I think there are lots of women who spend their whole life isolated. Blokes have gone out to work and spoken to other adults. Everyone needs a balance. I think working towards LESS delineation between the sexes is much better. It does not whittle away at the definition of a man to have a woman know how to hammer a nail. If the only thing defining a "man" is "what a woman isn't" you are in trouble.

[MAPLEMAN]

If the only thing defining a "man" is "what a woman isn't" you are in trouble.Eloquently put Tea Lady...i totally agree MM:2tsup:

[skot]

There is already a Women's Shed in Forster

The Women’s Shed Forster | Forster Neighbourhood Centre (http://www.fnc.org.au/womens-shed/)

There is no impediment to Women starting their own shed and as you can read item 4 of their motto........"for all women – all ages"...somehow I don't think men would be welcome.

I can understand both sides.....Should there be Women's Sheds where only women are welcome, certainly nothing stopping that movement - See Above...should there be Men Only Sheds/Clubs...you bet.

The Ipswich Woodworkers Guild is open to both sexes and that's great as well...but I have always believed that anybody can set up Clubs/Sheds/Organisations under the rules set out by the people who set them up.

If I want to start a club and I set out the dress code that everybody has to wear knotted hankies on their heads, wear only odd socks and one of your testes has to hang out your zipper AND PAINTED BLUE...FINE...if you can abide by those rules ; you're in but don't come into the club and try to change the dress code.

BTW....I don't get kitted out like that while I'm in my shed:;

skot

[MAPLEMAN]

There is already a Women's Shed in Forster

The Women’s Shed Forster | Forster Neighbourhood Centre (http://www.fnc.org.au/womens-shed/)

There is no impediment to Women starting their own shed and as you can read item 4 of their motto........"for all women – all ages"...somehow I don't think men would be welcome.

I can understand both sides.....Should there be Women's Sheds where only women are welcome, certainly nothing stopping that movement - See Above...should there be Men Only Sheds/Clubs...you bet.

The Ipswich Woodworkers Guild is open to both sexes and that's great as well...but I have always believed that anybody can set up Clubs/Sheds/Organisations under the rules set out by the people who set them up.

If I want to start a club and I set out the dress code that everybody has to wear knotted hankies on their heads, wear only odd socks and one of your testes has to hang out your zipper AND PAINTED BLUE...FINE...if you can abide by those rules ; you're in but don't come into the club and try to change the dress code.

BTW....I don't get kitted out like that while I'm in my shed:;

skot skot,the ladies at Forster don't have a shed at all,their goal is for a permanent one :~ ..just shoved into an insipid old cwa room,then somewhere else..:no:...I notice there is a 'mens shed' at Wallis lake...MM

[MAPLEMAN]

.but I have always believed that anybody can set up Clubs/Sheds/Organisations under the rules set out by the people who set them up.


Anybody???...under their rules??? :no::no::no:

[jimbur]

If we lived in an adult, egalitarian society the question wouldn't even arise. However, we don't. All of us have attitudes dictated by upbringing, religion, fashion and advertising that militate against equality. Men's sheds arose because of men's health suffering from not being willing to admit they were depressed or having trouble urinating etc. Look at the pressures on females (it starts well before they're women) to conform to body shape, dress and attitudes that are seen as acceptable.
Hopefully in twenty years time, people will look back and wonder why the hell separate sheds, swimming pool hours etc were seen as necessary.

[tea lady]

If we lived in an adult, egalitarian society the question wouldn't even arise. However, we don't. All of us have attitudes dictated by upbringing, religion, fashion and advertising that militate against equality. Men's sheds arose because of men's health suffering from not being willing to admit they were depressed or having trouble urinating etc. Look at the pressures on females (it starts well before they're women) to conform to body shape, dress and attitudes that are seen as acceptable.
Hopefully in twenty years time, people will look back and wonder why the hell separate sheds, swimming pool hours etc were seen as necessary.

Yeah. Lets start a freedom shed. :cool:

[Drillit]

Hello Mapleman,
Our men's shed, has (3) women members in a total membership of 110. Women are
welcome. Our pyrography teacher is a woman and a member. I think that
you need to look at the philosophy of men's sheds and the intended objectives and
outcomes. Generally speaking, women seem to be able to socialise more effectively within their
traditional craft groups than men, who are also dreadful at managing their own health issues.
The general environment is conducive to men enjoying each others company and this has a positive
effect on their general well being and mental health. Many are widowers, with an age profile at +70.
Having said that, I think the problem is not so much separate sheds but the unlikelihood that women would
get sufficient numbers, if their principal function was woodworking. There are also woodturning clubs with women members
and generally speaking, members treat women as equals and peer members. This is my experience with the Hornsby
Mens Shed and the Hornsby District Woodturners Inc. On the other hand, there is a man's own shed and we all
know the rules there - eg. Rule 101B - spouses shall not trespass or touch tools. Serious breaches of discipline arise
where the rule is infringed. Brrr. :~ Drillit.

[Bushmiller]

My impression of the evolution of the "Men's Shed" is that men, particularly older men, did not have a facility to meet and discuss issues that would be considered personal or delicate.

The shed evolved as an instrument of getting together. Naturally the excuse/ interest would be male orientated. Not too many men would show up to the quilting and crochet classes.

Women already had many interest groups as has been stated, but they were set up as interest groups in the first instance. My impression, as an uninformed male, has been that women (big generalisation coming up) are more likely to confide in their female friends than men will to their male friends.

However, if this is not the case or it is not working then there may well be a case for a women's group (I won't call them "sheds") to form. One aspect that occurs is that the women's group already existing tend to be for older women and problems are not the exclusive preserve of the old. I suppose playgroups may cater for young women, but there is an intermediate group that may be out in the cold.

So maybe there is a need, but I doubt it will be called a women's "shed."

Regards
Paul

[rwbuild]

Wouldn't a womens shed be a 'yarn barn' :rolleyes:

[Ticky]

A very intersesting thread, But we seem to be looking at 2 sides of the same coin, some seeing only heads & others, only tails.

Perhaps another option might be Community sheds with 1 mens day & 1 womens Day per week. All other days are open to all.

Those Girly ones are wonderful creatures, They have some strange ideas, but I wouldn't trade mine for a new shed full of tools. It's highly possible, that a lot of men could learn a thing or two from the women & equally, It might make some men feel a lot better about themselves if they were able to help or teach some of the less experianced ladies. Feeling useless is a very real issue for me as I was penssioned off at age 37, & I am now 54. Somedays, I look back on my life & I can't even see a foot print to say I was even here.

To feel usefull again might make a lot of blokes quite happy.

JMO

Steve

[Sturdee]

Well I am glad I was near a wood working place that was not specifically a "men's shed". I did not want to go and bake cakes and crochet.

Just to add more info to the mix most sheds have many different activities, not all are woodworking sheds. Some do metal work, some repair small engines eg lawnmowers, whipper snippers etc and some repair and tinker with motor bikes. I also know of a shed that repairs old bicycles to give to needy children.

I even know of one shed where the most popular activity is the weekly cooking lesson. That shed has a lot of older widowers and they learn that there are more nutritional meals that they can prepare than daily baked beans on toast.

So sheds evolve to cater for the need of the guys as well as provide a place where they can meet and share their health journeys by learning to talk in a non threatening ways among men in a similar situation.

All these things can be done by groups of women if there is a need in their community and shared facilities on different days in small country areas should be possible. Especially as their community provides the facilities.

Peter.

[kekemo]

Reading this thread with some personal interest.
Few years ago, I seriously needed & wanted to join a "Woodworking/Shed/Group" of any kind... struggling with grief I'd realised that socially I needed to interact with fellow woodworkers(male or female) just needed like-wise, understanding, fellow wood-enthusiasts that would inspire, involve & encourage my woodworking skills to either help, learn or participate in community active programmes.

So, enquired locally & found a group who made toy's & pottered... it wasn't a Men in Sheds Group...But a Community Active for both women & men attend the Community-Centre run facility...however there were only 6 men who participate in the wood-workshop section. On being shown & introduced through the complex on my very first visit... I was stunned & horrified when one self-elected(& obviously self-conceited arrogant pompous ASS...) participating member who was asked to show me around...obviously very audacious & ill-mannered he asked me, WHY did I want to come outside in the shed & use up bench space.... when the men didn't really want me there, instead of doing craft work with the women next door, stick to needle work & unimportant stuff that WOMEN SHOULD DO...!!!!
OMG I was STUNNED & BEWILDERED
I dissolved into tears immediately & hence became reclusive for the next 3 years... didn't want to mix or go out...
Shunned my woodwork...
Self doubted my passion & ability...

I'd ventured out at a time that was emotionally & personally very traumatic to me... & some jerk, just shattered my belief that "woodworker" were the friendliest & helpful group of people you could meet............ why did I think that ???? because I'd met, either personally or online many forum members & chatted to fellow Ubeaut participants from all over the world & presumed woodworkers were all like us..... mmmm WRONG!
I've only just re-established my links back here... & started making furniture again....

Now coping emotionally, time is healing my grief & I'm stronger & believe that it's absolutely imperative that all groups cater for both MEN & WOMEN...

*** NOW THIS IS THE PART THAT SURPRISED ME....& as much as this scarred me for mixing...
I actually came away from the day, with one consoling memory... & for most of you who've seen my work (pictures in the Albums) & read my posts, or met me at Ubeaut BBQ's in Perth... will know that I can actually do some pretty good woodwork....(trying to be modest... hehehe)
BUT honestly.. the workmen-ship that I saw during that one quick walk through was far below average... in fact it was sadly lacking of any quality. SO... I didn't complain or attempt to go back.
Decided that I'd spend my time better doing woodwork solo... It was a no win situation... IF I'd persevered & returned... I would have been ostracised from the group, due to being female or being of a better standard than any of them!

NOW strong enough after 3 years to re-visit and perhaps before I approach or join the members who attend, I'll facilitate a proposal & meet with the directors with an exciting concept & structured programs to initiate a WOMAN's WOODWORKING day. Using my example as the floor plan... as that was the one thing I did... after bursting into tears & initially driving off... I reversed up... walked straight into the manages office & told them what I thought of the insulting members inside.....
EVERYONE should remember ... thoughtfulness, compassion & kindness is FREE....
Only those who chose not to incorporate these into everyday life are arrogant, bumptuous, self-absorbed, egotistical & supercilious morons.... !!!
Ops... I guess they really did upset me!
Time to venture out again!
Share & Care... :U:2tsup:

[Bushmiller]

Kekemo

Unfortunately there is always somebody like your bloke at the Community Centre. Good that you are getting back into the swing of things and good luck in finding a working solution.

Just on the quality of the work, I don't think it matters if their work is poor, not up to even average standard as it is the community aspect and camaraderie that is important. However, I take your point that this bloke was bound to be aggravated whatever you did.

Regards
Paul

[jimbur]

Kekemo, a terrible way to find out that dinosaurs still walk the earth.

[tea lady]

I think its good to have a place where we can all do stuff and socialize that is not a pub. We can have a conversation and work on common projects. And be FRIENDS. It gets hard to find anywhere to do that with people you aren't related to.

[mythicagothiga]

I don't really understand the problem.

I am a female woodworker, am a member of my local Woodcraft Guild and have done pyrography teaching at the local mens shed but am not able to become a member and I don't want to be. The woodcraft guild provides everything I need and has a growing number of female members who can give as good as they get with the guys.

Blokes have had a lack of a place (apart from the pub) where they can get together with other blokes and talk with each other while having the opportunity to create something as well. It has nothing to do with discrimination; but it has everything to do with mens survival statistics.

Women, statistically, have lower suicide rates and as mentioned, already have numerous places and groups they can get involved in.

And the biggest difference? Mens sheds are government funded. Guilds and associations are not for profit but are not supported by the public purse.

Here is a saying I like:

Brave women fear nothing. Brave men fear women.:D

[Scott]

And the biggest difference? Mens sheds are government funded. Guilds and associations are not for profit but are not supported by the public purse.

Oh, for goodness sakes.

How do you explain the disproportionate healthcare funding for men and women? Breast Cancer gets a significantly larger amount of funding in research and facilities over Prostate Cancer. This is despite an equal amount of occurrences in both groups.

We can go on forever arguing about funding however I think it's about time men and WOMEN recognise that men NEED a place to call their own to address issues such as elderly male depression and loneliness.

I haven't mentioned this before however my father developed severe depression when my mother left him after he retired. He joined the local mens shed when everything started and it was truly a MENS shed. Then they had women pushing to join and it was made so. My father left the mens shed and became unwell again. As did roughly a dozen other men. They honestly felt undermined and depressed that their group was feminised. The shed, roughly 6 months after letting females join, folded. My father has since taken up fishing, a solitary pursuit, and is a lot happier. He also can choose his company rather than have situations thrust upon him.

I just don't understand WHY the mens shed movement needs to become equalised. It's for men to solve mens problems. Leave it be.

[MAPLEMAN]

Women, statistically, have lower suicide rates and as mentioned, already have numerous places and groups they can get involved in.



I can assure you that there are women in my area that are or have contemplated suicide :C..and they don't have numerous places to go!:no:..MM

[mythicagothiga]

Statistically, men have been have had a shortfall of groups designed for positive health outcomes which was why the mens sheds were started.

I also agree that Mens shed stay whatever the men need them to be. If women want to get involved in woodworking or other associated groups, there are guilds and societies everywhere.

[Ticky]

I do agree that men need some time with men, I know I do & I'm nor really sure that women, or at least some women, understand this.

I also agree that there is no reason why women can't use the facillities of a gov funded shed to do wood work, metal work or what ever, but I fail to see why there can't be days set aside for Men, Women (if they want) & combined.

My self, I went to a mens shed once, & to be honest, it wan't for me, but I have since become friends with a bloke that has an Engineering Shop about 10 mins from where I live, & he is also into building small planes & restoring a P40, although work hasn't actually started on the P40 as yet.

He has Lathes & mills & even a Morbidelli (?) that he is happy for me to use & learn to use. I try & help out a bit, but I don't really know much about these machines, but the social aspect is really good. He has several blokes drop in from time to time, and most of them are pretty cool except the one Bloke that knows everything about everything.... You know the one don't you.

Anyway, the point is, I found my Mens shed. & I do need it to help keep me sain.

I was pensioned off at 37, so for nearly 20yrs, I have been a Domestic Engineer... The job that just keep sucking the life out of you, So I need access to my mens shed


Steve

[MAPLEMAN]

men NEED a place to call their own to address issues such as elderly male depression and loneliness.

i am with you on that one Scott:2tsup:,but we also NEED a place for young and elderly women as well.They too suffer,if the greater community fully understood the level of sexual and physical abuse that our women folk put up with,then maybe attitudes will change...there are many many depressed women out there,for goodness sake,lets help them just like we help our brothers,lets build them some bloody sheds as well..time to eat some humble pie and unite to help the ladies..is it really that difficult? As i said earlier,if the 'sheds' are good for the blokes,then they will be good for the ladies.The 'mens sheds' are a great concept,and i still believe sheds for women is a concept with merit too..for those women folk who are unable to articulate their fears,and are socially stranded..MM:2tsup:

[mythicagothiga]

Ok, Mapleman, women need their social places too but why do they need a 'shed'? The mens sheds are set up a lot for carpentry and woodwork and I know many of the wives of our male woodcraft guild members don't come and do woodwork because that is not what they are interested in. Woodwork and carpentry, no matter which way you look at it, is hard work, dusty and not something suited to elderly women who want to go for a coffee afterwards or get their hair done.

However, pyrography is perfect as it is a sit down activity, is great for groups and involves woodwork but again, doesn't require a 'shed'. The CWA could accomodate it.

Again, if a 'combined' place is needed, woodcraft guilds provide that and there are plenty around.

[MAPLEMAN]

Ok, Mapleman, women need their social places too but why do they need a 'shed'? The mens sheds are set up a lot for carpentry and woodwork and I know many of the wives of our male woodcraft guild members don't come and do woodwork because that is not what they are interested in. Woodwork and carpentry, no matter which way you look at it, is hard work, dusty and not something suited to elderly women who want to go for a coffee afterwards or get their hair done.

However, pyrography is perfect as it is a sit down activity, is great for groups and involves woodwork but again, doesn't require a 'shed'. The CWA could accomodate it.

Again, if a 'combined' place is needed, woodcraft guilds provide that and there are plenty around.Why NOT a shed?...the women can deck it out and stylize as they wish..just because its a 'shed',doesn't restrict what can be done in it:?..the women i have spoken to DON'T want to hang out at the C.W.A:doh:,they want their own Shed,where they can go and talk,and talk,and meditate,and do anything but some of the outdated activities that the C.W.A and others offer...only some folk are getting my point....men socialise in THEIR shed,let the ladies do it too,in THEIR shed...what is wrong with that??:?

[Bushmiller]

Why NOT a shed?...the women can deck it out and stylize as they wish... THEIR shed...what is wrong with that??:?

MM

Nothing's wrong with that. Nothing at all.

Regards
Paul

[rustynail]

When we came to this beautiful part of the world, my first job was to extend the existing shed to facilitate my wood work machinery. This activity created interest from the local community and I was approached by both sexes for a sticky beak. Idle curiosity gave birth to bravado and I was asked if I would allow spectators (I hate being watched.) So, to avoid disappointing, I offered the use of my premises while I was unable to work after major eye surgery. They accepted with enthusiasm and begged me to supervise, which I would have done anyway, in the interest of equipment preservation. Well, supervision soon turned into refereeing as fellas tried to show the gals how it should be done and the gals circled their wagons in no uncertain manner. What could have been a pleasant experience for all had become a free for all. Being a hog for punishment, I have allowed things to continue with one major change... Fella's one day, Gals the next. There has been some deviation from this roster where husband and wife have wanted to work on the same project, which effectively gives them two consecutive days to work together. So far so good.
One shed, two groups, too easy.:2tsup:

[AlexS]

Frankly, there's a lot of women I'd rather share my shed with than many of the blokes I know.

Dunno if the women would feel the same way, though.

[tea lady]

I have been a Domestic Engineer... The job that just keep sucking the life out of you, So I need access to my mens shed


SteveYes well, I agree with that. Being a domestic engineer does suck the life out of you. Hence my need for a shed.

But if I was stuck with Pyrography as my only "appropriate" outlet I think I would do myself in.

[wheelinround]

Here you are Patt Gregory author of "Woodworking for Woman" (http://www.woodworkforwomen.com.au/) as well as her own Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/pattgregory?feature=watch)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RALMIZvP9k

[Polski]

'Mens Sheds' are popping up all over the place,which is great..but what about the idea of 'Womens Sheds',as they too(women) enjoy woodwork/craft etc!And they too need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social :;.Just thought i'd put the idea out there,hope it comes to fruition..Cheers MM :2tsup:

G'day all,
Thought this might be a good place to let anyone know in Mens or Womens sheds that we have an electric pottery wheel
that is looking for a home,so if you are, or if you know anyone who is after one, this might be ideal.
It's in good cond working order and it's free.
I'm 10 klm east of Melbourne.
If you're interested,send me a message and I'll send you my ph number.
Thanks and all the best........Polski

[tea lady]

G'day all,
Thought this might be a good place to let anyone know in Mens or Womens sheds that we have an electric pottery wheel
that is looking for a home,so if you are, or if you know anyone who is after one, this might be ideal.
It's in good cond working order and it's free.
I'm 10 klm east of Melbourne.
If you're interested,send me a message and I'll send you my ph number.
Thanks and all the best........PolskiThink there is a local group near Belgrave that do pottery. Will inquire for you and send PM.

[Polski]

Thanks Tea lady.....much appreciated.
My emai is [email protected] if anyone is interested........in the potters wheel,that is...

[mythicagothiga]

Frankly, there's a lot of women I'd rather share my shed with than many of the blokes I know.

Dunno if the women would feel the same way, though.


Well, I'm happy with either but found the Woodcraft Guild, with majority of men, had a fantastic attitude of acceptance and respect. Again, Mens sheds were created for a specific health purpose and are cheap or free for members. Other woodworking groups, though not for profit, are not government funded and therefore require membership fees to cover equipment and resources.

If women want to do woodwork, why not join the local woodcraft guild?

[Tia2]

'Mens Sheds' are popping up all over the place,which is great..but what about the idea of 'Womens Sheds',as they too(women) enjoy woodwork/craft etc!And they too need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social :;.Just thought i'd put the idea out there,hope it comes to fruition..Cheers MM :2tsup:

I just found this one:

http://www.mycommunitylife.com.au/Events-Activities/Ladies-in-the-Shed

The regular meetings are on a day that I work, but I have heard that they are starting Saturday workshops too. I have never done any woodworking before and thought a women's shed would be great - I would find it way too intimidating to make an initial approach otherwise. I'm sure the blokes are all lovely and very willing to share their skills but I also get that men need their own spaces to enjoy the company of other men...and I'm a bit over being told that I am a 'good girl' when I do something right! :~

[Bushmiller]

Welcome to the Forums Tia2.

I think the combination of a woman's shed and the Forum is all any woman could aspire to: Good or otherwise.

In case you haven't noticed there is also a section specifically for women on these Forums: "Wood Whispering Women," but please note that is not a restriction! The last time I looked there were more men posting there than women.

Regards
Paul

[MAPLEMAN]

I just found this one:

http://www.mycommunitylife.com.au/Events-Activities/Ladies-in-the-Shed

The regular meetings are on a day that I work, but I have heard that they are starting Saturday workshops too. I have never done any woodworking before and thought a women's shed would be great - I would find it way too intimidating to make an initial approach otherwise. I'm sure the blokes are all lovely and very willing to share their skills but I also get that men need their own spaces to enjoy the company of other men...and I'm a bit over being told that I am a 'good girl' when I do something right! :~Thanks for posting Tia2...that is terrific news for the ladies :)
And welcome to the forum too...MM:2tsup:

[astrid]

'Mens Sheds' are popping up all over the place,which is great..but what about the idea of 'Womens Sheds',as they too(women) enjoy woodwork/craft etc!And they too need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social :;.Just thought i'd put the idea out there,hope it comes to fruition..Cheers MM :2tsup:


Resurrecting this thread.
Some great (and amusing) responses, but little in answer to the OP.
Several years on there doesn't seem to be a lot of progress in this direction.
Women's sheds or mixed "men's Sheds"

I've been semi retired for a year now (and what a year to pick)

Someone upthread noted that there were some places for women to go, create (pottery, drawing and various crafts mentioned)
Not to demean these activities ( I like to throw pots) there still does not seem to be much action on Women's woodworking sheds.
Lack of interest or lack of experienced mentors to facilitate such a thing?

[BobL]

There have been some developments;
According to this article. Women’s Sheds | Barry Golding (https://barrygoanna.com/2020/07/13/womens-sheds/) there are 5 Mens sheds in WA that have female members.

Two I know of are;
Fremantle shed have 3 sessions (days) week where women can attend plus an evening each week that is form women only.
Cowaramup MS has a day (or maybe 1.5 days) a week when women can attend - this one is not included in the 5 above.

[Lappa]

Hornsby Men’s Shed in Sydney has a goodly number of female members.

[Bushmiller]

Astrid

I think that women are a little more versatile than men and don't require a shed to congregate. This is a little self defeating in that it is not immediately obvious to all and sundry that something is happening. Men seem to require a dedicated "spot" otherwise they can't function.

Of course, the men would argue it is more a requirement of their toys.

Having been mischievously flippant there does seem to be an imbalance.

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

Astrid

I think that women are a little more versatile than men and don't require a shed to congregate. This is a little self defeating in that it is not immediately obvious to all and sundry that something is happening. Men seem to require a dedicated "spot" otherwise they can't function.

Of course, the men would argue it is more a requirement of their toys.

Having been mischievously flippant there does seem to be an imbalance.

Regards
Paul

I think Paul is saying woman are the more intelligent species,
Men still need to function under a hierarchy system
We need to know who is the king pin,who is the bottom feeder,an we’re do I stand.
Women can just flock together get S... done, with a zero pecking order.

Cheers a Male(Matt)

[astrid]

All flippancy aside, why should one think that there is no need for women to get together for pretty much the same function as Men's Sheds?
Especially women in retirement.
It's a bit of a stereotype to think that women's needs in that way are already taken care of by some "sisterhood" in book clubs and pottery classes.
Could I dare go out on a limb and say that women who have done, or want to do real woodwork are not necessarily the type to bond well with the book clubbers.
Women are often in much the same headspace as men when they retire from a long career, their kids have gone "and their husbands just don't understand" why they are not happy now they've put the mouse or stethoscope or pliers down for good
Just like men, they find they've lost contact with the world.
They need friends and purpose too.
The problem with starting Women's sheds that do formerly blokey things, is there's not enough skilled women to mentor them and by and large, the Men's sheds won't.
I really don't understand why their cant be a couple of co-ed sessions and a women's only day at these places. Maybe it's the old "No toilet facilities" argument and a fear of cushions and curtains :D

[Bushmiller]

All flippancy aside, why should one think that there is no need for women to get together for pretty much the same function as Men's Sheds?
Especially women in retirement.
It's a bit of a stereotype to think that women's needs in that way are already taken care of by some "sisterhood" in book clubs and pottery classes.
Could I dare go out on a limb and say that women who have done, or want to do real woodwork are not necessarily the type to bond well with the book clubbers.
Women are often in much the same headspace as men when they retire from a long career, their kids have gone "and their husbands just don't understand" why they are not happy now they've put the mouse or stethoscope or pliers down for good
Just like men, they find they've lost contact with the world.
They need friends and purpose too.
The problem with starting Women's sheds that do formerly blokey things, is there's not enough skilled women to mentor them and by and large, the Men's sheds won't.
I really don't understand why their cant be a couple of co-ed sessions and a women's only day at these places. Maybe it's the old "No toilet facilities" argument and a fear of cushions and curtains :D

astrid

There is absolutely nothing you have said that I could contradict.

I would suggest that the dearth of women's sheds and men's shed where women are overtly welcome is fundamentally a twofold problem, but not entirely limited to two reasons.

Firstly, it is one of the age old issue in economics of supply and demand: There are not enough women actively wishing for a dedicated women's shed. Sad.

Secondly, the first reason does not address why women either do not or cannot participate in the men's sheds either on a mixed day or on a women only day or, dare I say it, at any time! Living in country Queensland where the likes of Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun would be seen by our conservative populace is rampant Lefties I think that in this state there is a large degree of prejudice. I can't say whether this is so true for other states, but I would suggest there is a big element of this attitude: At least enough to stifle interest and momentum.

From my own point of view, I don't understand it, but perhaps I am atypical.

Regards
Paul

[Bushmiller]

astrid

Not quite a men's shed, but Pat Gregory runs courses that may be of interest if it is not too far to travel:

Home | Woodwork for Women Australia (https://www.woodworkforwomen.com.au/)


Regards
Paul


Edit: Hmmm. I read in my mind's eye "Armidale" and not "Armadale" so probably a bit of a travelling stretch. Pity that.

[astrid]

astrid

There is absolutely nothing you have said that I could contradict.

I would suggest that the dearth of women's sheds and men's shed where women are overtly welcome is fundamentally a twofold problem, but not entirely limited to two reasons.

Firstly, it is one of the age old issue in economics of supply and demand: There are not enough women actively wishing for a dedicated women's shed. Sad.

Secondly, the first reason does not address why women either do not or cannot participate in the men's sheds either on a mixed day or on a women only day or, dare I say it, at any time! Living in country Queensland where the likes of Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun would be seen by our conservative populace is rampant Lefties I think that in this state there is a large degree of prejudice. I can't say whether this is so true for other states, but I would suggest there is a big element of this attitude: At least enough to stifle interest and momentum.

From my own point of view, I don't understand it, but perhaps I am atypical.

Regards
Paul

I totally understand why men's sheds are by and large for men (One wonders in these days where the trans might go)
As someone upthread said, would men be welcome in a womens shed?
There's a confusion as to purpose.
Certainly if a women's shed was to assist in mental health and to give women somewhere to let it all out..Well, we tend to do that anywhere with other women. As a woman of a certain age, I certainly wouldn't want Men in a Shed for women.
Pretty soon they'd be "mansplaining" and attempting to dominate..the latter is of course what many women are trying to escape.
Many sadly need a Man free space.

Sure we could start our own Sheds without impinging on the funding for The Mens Sheds.

Problems.
There may be many many women out there, sadly denied any formal high school WW who simply don't know where to start looking or even if they'd like WW seeing as they may never have been given a go with the Festool.
Second, getting teachers that won't "mansplain" or patronise.
Like the woman in the above post. I've been to Woodwork Victoria sessions. Certainly women are welcome. As long as they don't expect to be taken seriously.
Hopefully a younger generation won't have these issues with younger male teachers, but I wouldn't count on it.
So, the only solution I can see is to Hire the facilities from Men's sheds and pay for a teacher from their ranks.

Yes Armadale Vic :)

[BobL]

Our mens shed started at the local senior citizens following a survey of the membership and activities. The centre ran something like 28 regular activities and I understand men regularly participated in less than 1/4 of the activities. Apart from activities like, art classes, cards, and dancing, the numbers of men attending other activities were down to one or 2 at each session. I believe this is also pretty common at other seniors citizens centres.

The Senior Citizens Board identified they had to try and get more men involved and it was one of the female members of the board that suggested starting a mens shed. Response to a proposal to establish a mens shed from senior citizens male membership was very promising so a committee was formed and a temporary site was found in the largely unused prevocational centre at a local high school. Despite the promising initial interest a few months later when it opened it only had something like 6 members. Over a period of about 3 years a new shed next to the Senior citizens was planned and built - by then there were close to 50 members - about half active and there is simply no more room for any more members.

I ended up on the Shed Committee and was also Shed Supervision at least one but often two days a week. There was discussion at the committee meeting on several occasions about allowing female members but I was the only committee member who was even partially supportive of the idea. What it really came down to was supervision - no one was prepared to supervise if female members were admitted. I kept schtum! because if I said I would supervise sessions with female members attending I would be given all the sessions to supervise/ Problem was I was in the process of stopping all my supervision. In the end nothing happened and as I no longer attend this mens shed on a regular basis I'm not sure what the situation is. I do however visit many other mens shed and apart from Fremantle and Cowaramup have not see any females working in these sheds.

The issue of male and female only spaces is interesting.
A number of members have told me many times they love the Mens Shed because it's a male only space.
Likewise a number of female partners of mens shed members have also told me they also love the shed because it gets "Joe" out of the house and out from under my feet.

[Bushmiller]

I totally understand why men's sheds are by and large for men (One wonders in these days where the trans might go)
As someone upthread said, would men be welcome in a womens shed?
There's a confusion as to purpose.
Certainly if a women's shed was to assist in mental health and to give women somewhere to let it all out..Well, we tend to do that anywhere with other women. As a woman of a certain age, I certainly wouldn't want Men in a Shed for women.
Pretty soon they'd be "mansplaining" and attempting to dominate..the latter is of course what many women are trying to escape.
Many sadly need a Man free space.

Sure we could start our own Sheds without impinging on the funding for The Mens Sheds.

Problems.
There may be many many women out there, sadly denied any formal high school WW who simply don't know where to start looking or even if they'd like WW seeing as they may never have been given a go with the Festool.
Second, getting teachers that won't "mansplain" or patronise.
Like the woman in the above post. I've been to Woodwork Victoria sessions. Certainly women are welcome. As long as they don't expect to be taken seriously.
Hopefully a younger generation won't have these issues with younger male teachers, but I wouldn't count on it.
So, the only solution I can see is to Hire the facilities from Men's sheds and pay for a teacher from their ranks.

Yes Armadale Vic :)

I was thinking Armadale WA! :oo: Failed geography at school :(.

Both your post and Bob's post indicate that what at first glance appears to be quite simple between two groups of people is actually a complex issue and the requirements of individuals are both manyfold and diverse. Within cities there are sufficient numbers to find a solution. In small towns this may not be so easy.

I absolutely take your point of male teachers treating female students with deference. My wife enrolled in a Tafe course more than thirty years ago. The teacher, who was a local builder, was completely indifferent to the two or three women in the course. He would impart a minimal explanation or a throw away line and then walk away and stand alongside a male student: A disgrace to the male half of the human race.

My only solution is that enterprising women have to get a group together and then make representation at a men's shed to use the shed one day a week (for example) and then try to find a mentor. I am not suggesting for one moment this will be easy or have a good result.

I should add that I don't belong to the local men's shed. It has only recently been formed and as I still work I don't have enough time. If I had enough time, the first thing I would do is take up scratching myself again. :wink:

Regards
Paul

[Chief Tiff]

“Women’s Shed’s” do exist; I am affiliated with the Gin-Gin Women’s Woodworking Guild who have an enviable range of tooling available to them. The funding was supplied by the local regional council who also supports the Gin-Gin Men’s Shed; both organisations have purchased good quality tooling such as Laguna.

[Mr Fiddleback]

“Women’s Shed’s” do exist; I am affiliated with the Gin-Gin Women’s Woodworking Guild who have an enviable range of tooling available to them. The funding was supplied by the local regional council who also supports the Gin-Gin Men’s Shed; both organisations have purchased good quality tooling such as Laguna.So do the women get tools AND have their own dedicated shed like the blokes?
Mr Fiddleback :)

[Chief Tiff]

So do the women get tools AND have their own dedicated shed like the blokes?
Mr Fiddleback :)

Yes.

[Mr Fiddleback]

Yes.Good stuff :2tsup:
Thanks for the positive post Chief Tiff :;
Mr Fiddleback :)

[Chris Parks]

Like Bob I have had dealings with Mens Sheds over the last ten years but even when asked I refuse to join for my own reasons which don't need explanation. Why Mens Sheds predominantly end up as woodworking or metal working centric is a bit of a mystery but I know one that started out that way and now has other interests which would also suit women and some of those interests would be classed as primarily for women. I know my local shed has looked at the idea of having separate days for both but the place is not set up for any other activities beyond WW & MW and I am not sure the interest amongst the ladies of this town would be there. Having said that I am always astounded by the number of women who attend woodworking courses when they have to opportunity so I might be wrong in my assumption.

On to a really touchy subject and that is the direct interaction sometimes required in teaching manual arts skills. A lot of men are very wary of direct interaction between themselves and women because of the possibility of how direct physical contact can be interpreted, this is also the case between men and children but that is not the issue here.

[Bohdan]

On to a really touchy subject and that is the direct interaction sometimes required in teaching manual arts skills. A lot of men are very wary of direct interaction between themselves and women because of the possibility of how direct physical contact can be interpreted, this is also the case between men and children but that is not the issue here.

On the same issue I was working at a TAFE college that had a welding dept. One of the female apprentices cried sexual harrasment when the instructor corrected her stick welding angles by grasping her wrists from behind and adjusting the angle. She did that with every instructor until in the end they all refused to have anything to do with her. I think that she lost her apprenticeship as there was no way to teach her "safely".

[Mr Fiddleback]

On the same issue I was working at a TAFE college that had a welding dept. One of the female apprentices cried sexual harrasment when the instructor corrected her stick welding angles by grasping her wrists from behind and adjusting the angle. She did that with every instructor until in the end they all refused to have anything to do with her. I think that she lost her apprenticeship as there was no way to teach her "safely".Maybe she would have been more comfortable with a female tutor.
I am certain there was a way to teach her safely
Highlights the importance for women to have their own space and perhaps their own mentors of choice as well
Let's not be too judgemental
Mr Fiddleback :)

[Lappa]

No Mr Fiddleback. Let’s not get too judgemental..

[Mr Fiddleback]

No Mr Fiddleback. Let’s not get too judgemental..LOL...thanks for the advice...LOL
Mr Fiddleback :2tsup:

[Mr Fiddleback]

'Mens Sheds' are popping up all over the place,which is great..but what about the idea of 'Womens Sheds',as they too(women) enjoy woodwork/craft etc!And they too need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social :;.Just thought i'd put the idea out there,hope it comes to fruition..Cheers MM :2tsup:This is the OP...quote,
'need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social'
Simple!
Doesn't have to be affiliated with the Men's Sheds either
Just their own space...to meditate/play cards/garden/watch movies/woodcraft/music etc etc...that's the essence of the thread :)

Mr Fiddleback :2tsup:

[Bushmiller]

This is the OP...quote,
'need and deserve a place to unwind and be creative and social'
Simple!
Doesn't have to be affiliated with the Men's Sheds either
Just their own space...to meditate/play cards/garden/watch movies/woodcraft/music etc etc...that's the essence of the thread :)

Mr Fiddleback :2tsup:

:)

Mr Fiddleback

I am smiling because if SWMBO were here in front of the computer screen she would now have a stream of steam issuing from her ears that could power a turbine capable of driving a generator to supply the whole street with electricity: To put it into perspective, it is only a small street with meagre demands. :wink:

We would then be treated to a chorous of "Typical. This is a bunch of men telling a bunch of women what they want!" :- Actually the bunch of women (well perhaps one petal at least) have already pointed out that what we think they want is not necessarily what they do want.

From earlier posts:

"
Someone upthread noted that there were some places for women to go, create (pottery, drawing and various crafts mentioned)
Not to demean these activities ( I like to throw pots) there still does not seem to be much action on Women's woodworking sheds.
Lack of interest or lack of experienced mentors to facilitate such a thing?"

and then in case we still didn't get it.

"It's a bit of a stereotype to think that women's needs in that way are already taken care of by some "sisterhood" in book clubs and pottery classes.
Could I dare go out on a limb and say that women who have done, or want to do real woodwork are not necessarily the type to bond well with the book clubbers.
Women are often in much the same headspace as men when they retire from a long career, their kids have gone "and their husbands just don't understand" why they are not happy now they've put the mouse or stethoscope or pliers down for good
Just like men, they find they've lost contact with the world.
They need friends and purpose too."

I have to admit that I am as prejudiced as the next male and categorise women in stereotypical manner until I am confronted by the realities. However there are some generalities that hold true. I chose a welder for my last birthday present, being something of a milestone, but one sister in law commented "each to his own." :D

I think the main thing is that we have to listen.

Regards
Paul

PS: I have known women who throw pots, but fortunately in the past, at least, I have been quite accomplished at ducking.

[BobL]

Could I dare go out on a limb and say that women who have done, or want to do real woodwork are not necessarily the type to bond well with the book clubbers.

You could but had to laugh when I read it.
One of our female friends is a member of SWMBO's book club and she also has a very impressive workshop that I helped set up in 2013
Not my shed but I get to set it up and play. (https://www.woodworkforums.com/f245/shed-set-play-167900)

Since then some of the machinery has been upgraded to semi pro level stuff.
Sandi is a very capable wood worker; creative, careful, efficient, safety conscious, and a general delight to work with - next month I'll be going down to see them again and help them upgrade their DC system.
Sandi is no shrinking violet but I'd be happy to work all day with her compared to most of the blokes at the mens shed.

BTW she also is a potter.

[astrid]

You could but had to laugh when I read it.
One of our female friends is a member of SWMBO's book club and she also has a very impressive workshop that I helped set up in 2013
Not my shed but I get to set it up and play. (https://www.woodworkforums.com/f245/shed-set-play-167900)

Since then some of the machinery has been upgraded to semi pro level stuff.
Sandi is a very capable wood worker; creative, careful, efficient, safety conscious, and a general delight to work with - next month I'll be going down to see them again and help them upgrade their DC system.
Sandi is no shrinking violet but I'd be happy to work all day with her compared to most of the blokes at the mens shed.

BTW she also is a potter.
FWIW, I'm all of book clubber, potter and woodworker.
Doesn't mean the book clubbers and woodworkers among us have much in common :) , nor the potters. I think I'm the only woman in my pottery class prepared to get really dirty and enthusiastically embrace the wheel :D