This takes the cake

[Grumpy John]

280815

[ozhunter]

Stone the flamin' crows. That's enough to make a bloke do 'is block. No wonder the joints goin' down the gurgler.

[Ticky]

I can only assume that if a person decides to migrate to another country, in this case, Australia, then it is because they want come here. Just like the Greeks & The Poms & the Ity's & the Crauts, And all the other people that came here in the 50's & 60's. We called them New Australians then, but now, they are Australians. They showed us all the good things their culture had to offer, like Calamari & Yeros & Kababs, & we embraced them.

& then in the 70's we had the Boat people, mainly from sout east Asia, & with them came more wonderful food, Salt & Peper Squid, Beef & Black bean sauce & sizzling steak to name just a couple.

Most typical Aussies weren't too keen on all these new people coming to the country, but they worked very hard to learn our language, adopt our customes & become fellow Crow Eaters or Sand Gropers or what ever. These people brought all the good things their culture had to offer & left all or any of their crap behind. We had Poms & Germans working together & becoming mates when only a few short years before, they were shooting at each other. They did this without any government assistance programs or help. They did this because they wanted a new & better life in a new country. I personaly know a few that decided Australia wasn't for them, so they went back to their homeland, & a few of them returned & Stayed.

So here is a a good idea & it cost nothing.

If you want to come & live in, & be a part of the greatest country in the world bar none, then leave your #### at home come on over.

But if you want us to change our beautiful country to be just like the war torn 3rd world #### hole you left, then pack your rags & #### off back there

[ozhunter]

:whs:

[Grumpy John]

I doubt for one minute that this sort of thing comes from "New Australians", but from some from bureaucrats with fairy floss for brains. Like Ticky said, previous emigrants came out looking for a new life and had very little gov't assistance and got on pretty well. It's only when the government starts backing down to people who will never be happy, no matter where they live, that things turn to crap.

[Scott]

Here we go again, beating up a bit of xenophobia before the election. Can't expect anything less from the Herald Sun who may as well be writing Tony Abbott's election speeches.

If you look at the 9 facts sheets here: "Resources - Harmony in the Workplace - Delivering the Diversity Dividend - FECCA (http://www.fecca.org.au/resources/harmony-in-the-workplace-factsheets)", there is nothing that states that we should refrain from using the above mentioned terminologies. They do use the terminology 'CALD' which is referenced in many Australian Government websites.

Be careful what you read this election, this type of article is designed to whip up a bit of hysteria in an otherwise boring and listless election campaign :)

[AlexS]

Scott, surely you aren't implying that our beloved Rupert or his minions would be careless with the truth?:roll:

[Scott]

Scott, surely you aren't implying that our beloved Rupert or his minions would be careless with the truth?:roll:

Careless maybe? Economical, definitely.

[Scott]

By the way, in the interests of being transparent, I'm not going to vote for Tony, he's mad as a cut snake. And, I'm not going to vote for Kevin either, he's too umm... not sure about him.

[tea lady]

Fair suck o' the sauce bottle.

Slow news day maybe? Although I'm sure there were important things happening somewhere.

[Timless Timber]

Struth Ruth - take a chill pill. :)

[Grumpy John]

Here we go again, beating up a bit of xenophobia before the election. Can't expect anything less from the Herald Sun who may as well be writing Tony Abbott's election speeches.

If you look at the 9 facts sheets here: "Resources - Harmony in the Workplace - Delivering the Diversity Dividend - FECCA (http://www.fecca.org.au/resources/harmony-in-the-workplace-factsheets)", there is nothing that states that we should refrain from using the above mentioned terminologies. They do use the terminology 'CALD' which is referenced in many Australian Government websites.

Be careful what you read this election, this type of article is designed to whip up a bit of hysteria in an otherwise boring and listless election campaign :)

Thanks Scott for posting the link relating to the article in the Herald Sun. I'm tempted to telephone the paper and ask Ms. Natasha Bita exactly where in the 9 fact sheets she got her information.




Note:
On second reading of the article it appears that there may be another document being referred to. I think this requires a little more research.

[Scott]

Thanks Scott for posting the link relating to the article in the Herald Sun. I'm tempted to telephone the paper and ask Ms. Natasha Bita exactly where in the 9 fact sheets she got her information.

No probs. I think AlexS hinted at the reason this article was written :)

[rwbuild]

By the way, in the interests of being transparent, I'm not going to vote for Tony, he's mad as a cut snake. And, I'm not going to vote for Kevin either, he's too umm... not sure about him.

In the interests of transparency, could you expand your statements of the two persons you allude to with some facts please.

[Grumpy John]

By the way, in the interests of being transparent, I'm not going to vote for Tony, he's mad as a cut snake. And, I'm not going to vote for Kevin either, he's too umm... not sure about him.

Clive Palmer maybe?????? :p

[Scott]

In the interests of transparency, could you expand your statements of the two persons you allude to with some facts please.

Sure. Firstly, Tony Abbott (the wall puncher):

On immigration:


‘Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.’

‘These people aren’t so much seeking asylum, they’re seeking permanent residency. If they were happy with temporary protection visas, then they might be able to argue better that they were asylum seekers’

On rights at work:


‘If we’re honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little bit like a bad father or a bad husband … you find that he tends to do more good than harm. He might be a bad boss but at least he’s employing someone while he is in fact a boss.’

On women:


‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’

‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’ ‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’

On Julia Gillard:


‘Gillard won’t lie down and die’

On climate change:


‘Climate change is absolute crap’

‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’

On homosexuality:


‘I’d probably … I feel a bit threatened’

‘If you’d asked me for advice I would have said to have – adopt a sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about all of these things…’

On Indigenous Australia:


‘Now, I know that there are some Aboriginal people who aren’t happy with Australia Day. For them it remains Invasion Day. I think a better view is the view of Noel Pearson, who has said that Aboriginal people have much to celebrate in this country’s British Heritage’

‘Western civilisation came to this country in 1788 and I’m proud of that…’

‘There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done’

[Scott]

And Kevin Rudd? He deliberately undermined his own democratically elected government creating uncertainty and instability. Need I say more?

[Scott]

Clive Palmer maybe?????? :p

I have no words.

[Bushmiller]

I'm used to media owners exhibiting a bias in their reporting: Fair dinkum, but I don't really ever recall such a blatant, overt, libelling of a political party by a media corporation before.

You just have to ask why would Rupert Murdock would be so hostile towards the Labour government? Ordinarily I would expect him to hedge his bets by contributing to both parties even if one was slightly more heavily weighted.

I can only conclude that RM thinks that a superfast NB would hamper his online interests. As a consequence he wishes the liberal effort to succeed as it it nowhere as good as the liberals would have us believe. As a computer idiot, I didn't have much of a clue until Ropey waded in. Now I know that the labour party's national broadband is almost certainly the way to go.

Ropey? That's the name he "enjoyed" during the 70s when I worked in the UK publishing industry. He was not thought of any better then than he is now and is the classic example of an abuse of power. See my slogan below.

Regards
Paul

[A Duke]

Vote ZANU PF

[Grumpy John]

I have no words.

Good, my mum always said "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". :D:D:D:D

[Grumpy John]

I have sent an email to Natasha Bita and left a message with Pino Migliorino, Chair of Fecca (http://www.fecca.org.au/aboutus/fecca-executive-and-staff-). Waiting to hear back.

[Scott]

I have sent an email to Natasha Bita and left a message with Pino Migliorino, Chair of Fecca (http://www.fecca.org.au/aboutus/fecca-executive-and-staff-). Waiting to hear back.

Look forward to this response, if at all :)

[Grumpy John]

I just had a call back from Pino, he seems to be a really good bloke and was happy and eager to talk to me about the article.


"Explain jargon and colloquialisms

Even if English is the first language of your new employee, they may be unfamiliar with Australian jargon, informal language and colloquialisms. This may be a challenge, particularly for those who are new to working in Australia.
Be aware of the extent to which jargon, particularly technical jargon, is used in your workplace. You can help to explain the essential expressions. Also keep in mind common Australian expressions may be misunderstood, for example, 'bring a plate', 'this machine is cactus' and 'he really spat the dummy that time'.
For some people, casual swearing may also be seen as aggressive or provocative and new employees may not be sure how to respond. You can help by being aware how this might affect your employees.
If it appears your new employee is baffled by the sense of humour and the jokes of your other employees, have someone help them out. A buddy or mentor can be of great assistance.
We recognise training doesn't stop once employment begins and some barriers can take time to overcome.
We have demonstrated ongoing commitment to improving the employability of our workers through activities, such as organised literacy programs.
Source: Southern Meats, Goulburn"


From: Connections – An employer's guide (http://www.immi.gov.au/employers/connections/)

Draw your own conclusions.

[Scott]

I just had a call back from Pino, he seems to be a really good bloke and was happy and eager to talk to me about the article.

That was quick, very impressive.


Draw your own conclusions.

In other words, all you have to do is be careful when using colloquialisms as they can create confusion to new workmates. I'm sure once the terminology is explained then the new workmate will join in the fun and use those expressions as well. I dare say the Herald Scum, unsurprisingly, stretched the truth somewhat. Shoddy, sensationalist journalism.

[Grumpy John]

That was quick, very impressive.



In other words, all you have to do is be careful when using colloquialisms as they can create confusion to new workmates. I'm sure once the terminology is explained then the new workmate will join in the fun and use those expressions as well. I dare say the Herald Scum, unsurprisingly, stretched the truth somewhat. Shoddy, sensationalist journalism.

Exactly, nowhere in the guide does it say to "stop being an Aussie". Waiting to see how long it takes Natasha (http://www.thepunch.com.au/author-bios/natasha-bita/) to get back to me.

[Grumpy John]

Just received an email from Natasha, I've sent back asking where in the guides does it mention "banning the slang".

[Grumpy John]

In the interests of transparency, could you expand your statements of the two persons you allude to with some facts please.

Asked and answered.

[Ticky]

Scott makes a very interestin point about the truth & origins of the artical in question & it's pretty clear that this is more about HEADLINES than facts.

Having said that, Our school kids don't make easter baskets anymore, & we don't celerbrate Christmas now, we celebrate the Holidays.

While the artical may not be 100% accurate, it is clear that we Australians are loosing our culture so as not to offend Migrants, & this is wrong.

Corby didn't get a fine & a slap on the wrist for having dope because she is an Australian, She got life because that is the penalty for that crime in Indoneesa. If they Shoot the Barli 9, it's not going to be with rubber bullets in the hope that they don't do it again because they come from Australia, they will be shot with real bullets & they will be real dead because thats the law in that country.

Go steal something from a middle eastern country & see if you can still count to 10 because your Australian... I guessing thats not a good idea.

In Australia, we get plenty of time to Pray, but the boss dosent have to pay for it, or build a room for it. We are not allowed to wear motor bike helmets, Balaclava's or any identity concealing head covering into Banks, Shops & Petrol stations. We have laws & customs that date back over 200 years, & for the most part, as previously stated, migrants in the past learned to live with them & in most cases, I would say embrace them.

Were do we stop giving away Australia to new comers... Should we stop our Daughters from gettin an education? If one of our Daughters tries to get an education, should we just walk up to her & shoot her in the head? Do we have our Brother stone our wife to death because she slept with someone else, so as Our Honor can be Restored?

Now I don't know about you but to me, this dosent sound very cosmopoliton. In fact, it sounds a little bit Neanderthal.

This is NOT how I want to live & I doubt it is how you want to live. It is not how the majority of the world wants to live and in my opinion, if this is what the current influx of imagrants are trying to escape, then don't only let them in, welcome them in ... & bring your best recipe, but here in Australia, live like an Australian & encourage education for everybody and dicourage violence from anyone. Please, Adopt our wonderful country & our laws & Customs. Feel free to build your church & worship there, but none of that whaling #### at 6:00am mate, we don't do that here.

Steve

[Bushmiller]

And Kevin Rudd? He deliberately undermined his own democratically elected government creating uncertainty and instability. Need I say more?

Scott

Yes, he did indeed do that, but wasn't he also subject to some undermining in the first instance. I am not particularly condoning his actions nor Gillard's actions as there was some skullduggery going on that would have made the Borgia's look like Girl Guides.

Also remember that when Abbott talks about undermining, he conveniently forgets his assassination of Turnbull, who in my opinion has more statesmanship in his pinkie than the the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition combined.

Regards
Paul

[Scott]

Also remember that when Abbott talks about undermining, he conveniently forgets his assassination of Turnbull, who in my opinion has more statesmanship in his pinkie than the the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition combined.l

It's daft how the Libs have gone with Tony. We all know it'd be a lay down misere if Turnbull was fronting them.

[Bushmiller]

It's daft how the Libs have gone with Tony. We all know it'd be a lay down misere if Turnbull was fronting them.

Scott

Absolutely agree.

It begs the question of who exactly wants Abbott. I'm not entirely sure anybody in the party would want to own up to this allegiance...Possibly Hokey (sorry that is Hockey), Pyne or Bishop

The only saving grace for Abbott is that Costello is not there otherwise there would be a full on comedy act :D .

Regards
Paul

[hughie]

Turnbull aint trusted!

[rustynail]

My daughter is a qualified teacher, majoring in adult education. She teaches literacy, numeracy and English to a wide and diverse group of "New Australians" at a large college in the western suburbs of Sydney. At the end of each class, she gives them a new bit of Aussie slang. They absolutely love it and go off down the corridor practicing it over and over.

[Ticky]

What is it they say about Politics & Relligion.....

I think the sad thing is, in a couple of weeks time we all have to go & vote & the truth is we have very little to vote for.

I would love the oppertunity to vote for the person/party I want to administer OUR country, but sadly, I am struggling to decide which person or party I don't want to have in the job the most, & it's a pretty tuff decision.

You would think that out of 23 million people, give or take, that there would be someone that we, or at least I, had the confidance to vote for.

I would love to see a HUGE shift in politics in Australia, where the leader of the oppersition stood up & said something was a bad idea because it was a bad idea, not because it was suggested by the other party. Or where a Polly got on tv and said, if you vote for me, then I will do this for you, rather than If you vote for him then he will do that to you. It would be nice to see someone voted in for a change, rather than voted out.

How many hundres of billions of dollars has Australia got tied up with X35 Joint Strike Fighter, Nearly twenty Years in the making & still not Combat Ready,... & some informed people don't believe it ever will be. Little Johnny walked into a meeting with Lockheed & ordered 100 of them, just like that. The people of Australia didn't even know he was thinking about it.

The fact is, there many experts that strongly believe that the F16, a cheap little single engine fighter designed in the 60's, with a combat record of something like 105 combat kills to ZERO combat losses, is cheaper, available and apparantly better at every combat roll than the X35 JSF. In the interum, Australia has had to buy a flight of Super Hornets, also an exceptionaly good fighter bomber, & looking at now buying a second flight I believe, because the JSF is STILL not ready to go into full production. Infact, Not one JSF is mission ready.

Now I have nothing against spending on millitary, but we need value for dollar, & if you have to do these unannounced secret deals behind the back of the people you are supposed to represent, then you shouldn't be doing them. That is not how Australia bought the FA 18's when we replaced the aging Mirages back in the eighties I think it was.

Too many back door deals done by our Government these days, & While the JSF deal was very wrong in my opinion, I'm not just singling out one party, just one event.

Steve

[rustynail]

Fighter planes are a bit like woodwork tools....We all want the best, settle for the cheapest, wish we never bought it and its obsolete before we even use it.

[Sturdee]

Now I have nothing against spending on military, but we need value for dollar,

Steve

I do have something against spending that money. Why have them at all when they can't even protect our borders against the invasions organised by the Indonesian people smugglers. :((

To stop that and take back our sovereignty I will vote for Abbot and his team.


Peter.

[petersemple]

I do have something against spending that money. Why have them at all when they can't even protect our borders against the invasions organised by the Indonesian people smugglers. :((

To stop that and take back our sovereignty I will vote for Abbot and his team.


Peter.


We can easily "protect" our borders against the perfectly legal arrival of asylum seekers on boats. Shooting them out of the water is usually considered poor form though. If there were ever a military threat though, that would be different.

[Sturdee]

We can easily "protect" our borders against the perfectly legal arrival of asylum seekers on boats. Shooting them out of the water is usually considered poor form though. If there were ever a military threat though, that would be different.

Actually I don't think they are asylum seekers but illegal immigrants as all of them have passed through another country where they would have been able to seek asylum.

The only reason they don't do that is that we are a soft touch with too many dogooders and if we don't stop this it will never end. There are approx 40 million refugees and if we allow the floodgates to stay open they'll all want to come here. And the greens will welcome them with open arms. :(( :((

Only those that arrive by boat direct from their country of persecution, without going through another country, can claim to be legal asylum seekers.

For the record I'm an legal immigrant that came by boat in 1958. It took my parents 5 years to get permission to come here, and it was only possible as sponsored immigrants. That meant that we waited 5 years and got no government assistance during the 2 years of sponsorship as our sponsor was responsible for our welfare.

So I say let them register in the first country they get to and then wait their turn for an orderly settlement in our country. I really hate these queue jumpers. :((

Peter.

[AlexS]

OK Sturdee, since Tony won't tell us how he'd stop the boats, how about you tell us how you would.

[Gra]

Sturdee, the problem is Indonesia isn't a signatory to the refugee convention, we are. So yes I am afraid that they are LEGAL asylum seekers.

[Ticky]

I do have something against spending that money. Why have them at all when they can't even protect our borders against the invasions organised by the Indonesian people smugglers. :((

To stop that and take back our sovereignty I will vote for Abbot and his team.


Peter.



Yeah Pete, I kinda got off topic there a little bit, & short of shooting them, which I am not suggesting, there is little the military can do.

You are absolutly correct about them passing through other countries though, & I also agree with with you about queue jumpers.

Hats off to your folks for going about it the right way mate, this is what I believe we all want these people to do.

Steve

[Tonyz]

Iam willing to start a pole about how soon it will be before Turnbull makes a shot at leadership.

My 2 bobs worth The Libs know he will make a hard and decent leader willing to take on all comers but they also know that us (well some of a working party persuasion) would crucify the Libs come election, so,... Mr Abbott comes in, there are no unhappy people (On the surface) in the party, have a fantastic swing to them then 12-18 months later Mr Turnbull will quietly take over.

Money is on the table. Ive got this going several other diverse forums as well. But I do not and will not belong to a party.

[Bushmiller]

Iam willing to start a pole about how soon it will be before Turnbull makes a shot at leadership.

My 2 bobs worth The Libs know he will make a hard and decent leader willing to take on all comers but they also know that us (well some of a working party persuasion) would crucify the Libs come election, so,... Mr Abbott comes in, there are no unhappy people (On the surface) in the party, have a fantastic swing to them then 12-18 months later Mr Turnbull will quietly take over.

Money is on the table. Ive got this going several other diverse forums as well. But I do not and will not belong to a party.

Tony

I think you've made a good observation. Perhaps not a question of if Turnbull gets in, but when. Having said that, what do you think would be the pretext, always supposing the Libs get up at the election. Different if Abbott loses the unloseable election of course.

Regards
Paul

[whitey56]

HI ALL
Here is my "2 bob's" worth, As reported on local radio here about 4 months ago Australia can only afford around 160.000 migrants per year but at the time of the interview 240.000 migrants had landed [ not sure how many illegals in that figure], I don't know how these extra's are being paid for but I suspect it's borrowed, in the last 6 years we have borrowed 300 billion [admitted too] which I doubt if we can pay the interest on.

20% to 25% India's civilian income [sorry I forget the correct name] comes from ex-pat's living oversea's and sending money back home, If this happens with our immigrants it would be disasterous for Australia's economy as we already have those fabulous 457 visa's.

The late mail when Kevin07 won power was he would not see out the term [how right were they] I can see the same happening to Abbott.

If I was given the job to stop the illegal's, firstly there would be no family reunion and then withdraw finance from the country of departure till they make the effort and tell the U.N. to go and get ****.

Sorry about the punctuation I usually talk in mono-syllable's so this is a stretch for me.

Cheers

[Sturdee]

H
If I was given the job to stop the illegal's, firstly there would be no family reunion and then withdraw finance from the country of departure till they make the effort and tell the U.N. to go and get ****.



That's essentially my way as well.

No aid for any country that would not cooperate with stopping this illegal traffic.

Further if that fails stop our citizens from visiting that country on pains of withdrawing citizenship rights and make them stateless, similar to what we did to those that visited North Vietnam during the Vietnamese war.


For those that are already here only give them temporary protection visas, no rights to citizenship, no family reunions and if they leave no return visas. Also ban the right to repatriate money to their home countries.


Only rescue those within our recognised sphere of rescue and not enter Indonesian's sphere.


That may be drastic but will be effective. Remember the Indonesian people smugglers, with the tacit approval of that country's corrupt officials, are at war with us and we should do all that we can to retain sovereignty.


Peter.

[swk]

HI ALL
Here is my "2 bob's" worth, As reported on local radio here about 4 months ago Australia can only afford around 160.000 migrants per year but at the time of the interview 240.000 migrants had landed [ not sure how many illegals in that figure],

About 6000 (http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/RefugeeResettlement).
It's been about 4-6000 for a decade.
And about 2-4000 the decade before that.

It isn't a problem. It's a few percent of our immigrants.

Only politicians standing on their soapboxes scaring the cr@p out of people who don't know any better make it a problem. And the pollies only do that to keep people from asking how we could _actually_ make this a better country.
For everyone.
Including the _pathetically small_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_population) numbers of reffos we get here.

I, like others here, despair of the leaders of both main parties. They _know_ this is a bull$..t issue, but are in there trying to outdo each other because it's easier to demonise a few voiceless unfortunates than do something substantive on any other issue.:((

SWK

PS, they aren't "illegals". That's another bull...t word thought up by the spin doctors to pull people's strings. Just like the concept of "queue jumpers" (there is no queue, never was).
And it works.

[doug3030]

Scot might be a harsh critic of Tony Abbott, but apparrently Tony likes Scott...

Telstra BigPond News and Weather (http://bigpondnews.com/articles/Election-2013/2013/08/19/Abbotts_kind_words_for_Scott_898047.html)


Sure. Firstly, Tony Abbott (the wall puncher):

On immigration:


‘Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.’

‘These people aren’t so much seeking asylum, they’re seeking permanent residency. If they were happy with temporary protection visas, then they might be able to argue better that they were asylum seekers’

On rights at work:


‘If we’re honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little bit like a bad father or a bad husband … you find that he tends to do more good than harm. He might be a bad boss but at least he’s employing someone while he is in fact a boss.’

On women:


‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’

‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’ ‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’

On Julia Gillard:


‘Gillard won’t lie down and die’

On climate change:


‘Climate change is absolute crap’

‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’

On homosexuality:


‘I’d probably … I feel a bit threatened’

‘If you’d asked me for advice I would have said to have – adopt a sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about all of these things…’

On Indigenous Australia:


‘Now, I know that there are some Aboriginal people who aren’t happy with Australia Day. For them it remains Invasion Day. I think a better view is the view of Noel Pearson, who has said that Aboriginal people have much to celebrate in this country’s British Heritage’

‘Western civilisation came to this country in 1788 and I’m proud of that…’

‘There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done’

[Sebastiaan56]

Meanwhile, in my blankie fort, we are watching reruns of "The Empire Strikes Back" and will reemerge in late September. Better lay in some more beer and chips.

[havent a clue]

Mate I agree with you 1000% My parent's came here after the second War my Dad was from Poland my Mum was from White Russia They had Women's Weeklies and a German English dictionary by the time they got off the boat in Ozz they had basic English my Mum spoke seven Languages Dad spoke five they must really have loved one another because this bundle of trial and tribulations arrived twelve months later first order of business NATURALISATION my parent's worked like slaves and made lifelong friends my Mother stopped work when my brothers and sisters started to arrive Dad worked two job's for most of his life never heard him complain once never had a sick day never on the dole my parent's weren't special there were thousand's of families like us yes we were new Australians but we were and are 100% Australian I get asked how Australia compares to Germany are you kidding I don't even remember what a nappy feels like Crikey Stone the Crows hand's off me bowl of fruit before this turns into a novel I just want to say I love a sunburned country a land of rolling plains cheers George

[havent a clue]

Got'a love ole Clive so much B#@@ to the square inch

[KBs PensNmore]

Hi George, when was it that they came here, I arrived here in '53, '19 not '18 that is.
Kryn