Rsser's accident.

[ToothFairy]

Maybe only the private patients get the Stainless steel wires :rolleyes:


That'd be right. :C

Good luck for this arvo.

- Michael

[rsser]

Well it's a pleasure to share the good news with all of you who have been so supportive :)

The specialist said that alignment thru 1 axis was fine; thru the other not so good. But that at least another 3 months of rehab was nec. to determine if that was going to be a prob., and probably much longer, and even then it would not be too late for a surgical correction. In many cases he said, folk adapt or their wrists adapt without pain (echoes of our 'Dr Neil' there :D ).

:woot:

[tea lady]

:wave: Good to hear. So ya still wearing the splint and everyhting? I guess it seems like its a bit more worth it when someone can give you a better idea of things.:cool:

[rsser]

Zaccly!

yeah, lots more splint - bone formation around the fractures = another 5 weeks or so. Need it to take any load.

muscles have atrophied as well.

so rehab = more stretching exercises and rebuilding muscle strength.

progressively the silver hand-cuff will come off

[NeilS]

..... :clap3:

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[Ozkaban]

That's excellent news Ern. Really good to hear after a few downers.

Just keep at it day by day.

cheers,
Dave

[Gingermick]

good new mate:2tsup:

[ToothFairy]

Good news. Keep the physio going, and see what the next couple of months bring.

- Michael

[rsser]

Thanks guys.

Makes me think of the hand and its prospects in a diff., more +ve way.

No prob keeping up with the exercise discipline; have had plenty of practice with 2 knees, 1 hip joint and chronic lower back probs. :- Wld be a basket case without physio. :2tsup:

[Calm]

So Ern how does the bike handle after its little escapade down the black stuff?

























What you haven't been on it - now you know a real bikie couldn't go 3 months between rides.

Chin up the next ride is around the corner. (no pun intended)

Cheers

[Terry B]

Zaccly!

yeah, lots more splint - bone formation around the fractures = another 5 weeks or so. Need it to take any load.

muscles have atrophied as well.

so rehab = more stretching exercises and rebuilding muscle strength.

progressively the silver hand-cuff will come off
Good news.:2tsup:
The bad news is that it takes about 2x as long to build up the atrophied muscles as it took to lose them. Lots of exercises yet to come. You now need to work out how to do the exercises and some woodwork at the same time.:U

[rsser]

Yeah. Factor of 2 eh? Oh well.

It's gaining in strength and flex'y fast now.

Got some plane soles to flatten; wonder how that wld go. Need a WWing physio to advise.

Will have to regrow most of the calluses too which flaked off. That was gross.

[tea lady]

Will have to regrow most of the calluses too which flaked off. That was gross. :yuck: Maybe you should have kept them and glued them back on with super glue. :D:rolleyes:

[rsser]

Good lateral thinking TL.

Maybe if I had access to some surgical CA some prosthetic calluses cld be layered up :rolleyes:

[rsser]

y'day was another review with the hand therapist.

there's another 5* rotation of forearm, palm up and palm down, plus wrist up and down. good news.

rotation of forearm palm up shld be going faster so she's making a device to do that without my effort. kinky.

TAC has approved a treatment program of 20 hrs consult time with her. so that's a relief as well as a signal.

a bunch of new exercises to do & she's happy with light loading in shed work. only 5 mins on, then 30 mins off to see the effect. at that rate flattening a no. 7 plane sole is gunna take a while!

continued dullness of feeling in the palm is apparently a danger sign, that the hand might decide to shut down after the trauma, so I have to take it seriously.

[NeilS]

...there's another 5* rotation

.

I guess that would make you a "1.55 handed woodworker" now...:)

.....

[rsser]

LOL. Guess it shld be 1.6 today.

P.T. teaching started again today & it was great to be back, engaging with bright young minds, taking my mind off degrees of rotation.

One poor lass had had her forearm in a splint for 10 months during Yr 12 due to RSI. Her GP gave her 2 cortisone injections and she was sick with the side-effects for 8 days before the exams.

[tea lady]

Good to have something else to distract you. :cool: (Always someone worse off though.:rolleyes: ):D

[rsser]

yeah; amazing that kid still scored the astronomical ENTER she did.

well back to the grind; yesterday I overdid the exercises and the paw bit back big time. was crapping myself about the longer term effects but it pulled up OK this morning.

have spent the day on and off in the shed rehabbing a couple of Stanley planes; the steel in those orig irons might be carp but it sure takes a while to properly flatten one, even starting with 80g W&D. have decided the no. 7 iron is gunna have the corners rounded off cos I'm sick of trying to flatten to them :B

Edit: can now distinguish 4 pain patterns, inc the 2 bad ones. Happily messing about in the shed doesn't seem to lead to those. Woohoo!

Meantime, can cook again, using those awesome Japanese knives that only take two fingers and a thumb to hold. With a glass of wine, and Rubinstein playing Chopin on the stereo, I feel no pain at all ;-}

[tea lady]

Meantime, can cook again, using those awesome Japanese knives that only take two fingers and a thumb to hold. With a glass of wine, and Rubinstein playing Chopin on the stereo, I feel no pain at all ;-}:rolleyes::cool:

[Grumpy John]

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Meantime, can cook again, using those awesome Japanese knives that only take two fingers and a thumb to hold. With a glass of wine, and Rubinstein playing Chopin on the stereo, I feel no pain at all ;-}



Choppin' to Chopin how cool is that :cool:.

[rsser]

:d

[NeilS]

Meantime, can cook again, using those awesome Japanese knives that only take two fingers and a thumb to hold. With a glass of wine, and Rubinstein playing Chopin on the stereo, I feel no pain at all ;-}



Unless, you cut yourself with one of those knives. The pain will come...it's just delayed by a millisecond or two...:U

.....

[rsser]

LOL. Yeah, they cut thru skin like it wasn't there. You stare down at this hurting finger, see the blood bead around the cut and wonder, ?!

[Grumpy John]

LOL. Yeah, they cut thru skin like it wasn't there. You stare down at this hurting finger, see the blood bead around the cut and wonder, ?!

The sign of a truly sharp blade, you never feel the cut, just see the blood. For about 30 seconds it doesn't register that it's your blood. Bonus is that a sharp blade doesn't leave much of a scar.

[rsser]

True.

'less the blade was loaded with raw chicken; onion juice also adds to the experience.

[artme]

Get into some of the Baroque music Ern. It is supposed to stimulate the mind - IN ALL THE DESIRABLE WAYS OF COURSE! :D:D

Glad to see you are improving so well>:):)

[rsser]

Thanks artme.

I'm not a big fan of the Baroque, but the +1 is going to take me out to a live performance of the Goldberg Variations and real is always better than canned so we'll see.

[rsser]

Well, another chk with the hand therapist and there's no more progress, so 1.6 handed it remains.

Must say it's a b*gger. Have to stretch and strenghten but avoid pain; but the pain takes half an hour or more to kick in, so it's all guesswork.

Getting a good night's sleep remains hit and miss.

Anyway, went out to lunch today with another of the 'decked and wrecked' in the club and we enjoyably exchanged our tales of woe.

Meantime I've developed a taste for reading about Everest assaults. The authorised account of the expedition to find Mallory's and Irvine's bodies is a gem.

Have only been in the Himalaya once; 4,200m at Annapurna Base Camp, preceded by a day's trek of 1200m vertical to Machapuchare Base Camp; next day a short trek to ABC. Mind boggling views. And this was merely the start of expeditions to greater heights up there.

The books provide a kind of insight into why folk put themselves on the edge.

[mic-d]

Hi Ern,
Too, Charles Kingsford Smith and those Magnificent Men by Peter FitzSimons is a good long read giving an idea why people put themselves on the edge. Some idiosyncrasies in his grammar were a bit off-putting though...
keep your chin up...
cheers
Michael

[Grumpy John]

.......................................
Must say it's a b*gger. Have to stretch and strenghten but avoid pain; but the pain takes half an hour or more to kick in, so it's all guesswork.
.......................................



Not that my CT op compares in any way with your hand damage Ern, but after a couple of hours shed time earlier today my left hand is giving me hell ATM. It's a bit of an art to know when to stop so that the pain doesn't kick in a few hours later.

[Calm]

Hey John - as my 19YO daughter says to me

Suck it up princess :D:D:D:2tsup::2tsup:

[rsser]

Yeah GJ. Just do a bit more each time from the pain-free base and then see what happens is the theory.

[Grumpy John]

Hey John - as my 19YO daughter says to me

Suck it up princess :D:D:D:2tsup::2tsup:

Not complaining, just empathising. I'll not do it again O.K. :p :D



Yeah GJ. Just do a bit more each time from the pain-free base and then see what happens is the theory.

I don't think it is a matter of how long I'm using the hand for, more a matter of what I'm doing with it, i.e. stretching, pressing, gripping etc. I have limited grip strength at the moment so I'm using my non preferred hand for most things I do around the shed.

[Calm]

........................................

I have limited grip strength at the moment so I'm using my non preferred hand for most things I do around the shed.

Dont you hold the VB with one hand while you take the top off with the other (two handed operation isnt it??:?:?

[Grumpy John]

Dont you hold the VB with one hand while you take the top off with the other (two handed operation isnt it??:?:?

Yes, and it hurts. But the VB acts as pain relief and so it's worth it :D.

[rsser]

FWIW a friend who had the snip took months to get grip back.

...

I now have a strap that spirals from the hand up the forearm and around the elbow, to encourage twisting so that the palm will face upwards properly.

Not game to wear it in public yet.

Someone might drop a coin into the palm :-

[NeilS]

I now have a strap that spirals from the hand up the forearm and around the elbow, to encourage twisting so that the palm will face upwards properly.

Not game to wear it in public yet.

Someone might drop a coin into the palm :-

Or ask what your hourly rate is for a session? ....:o

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[Ozkaban]

Or ask what your hourly rate is for a session? ....:o

.....

:rofl:

[tea lady]

Meantime I've developed a taste for reading about Everest assaults. The authorised account of the expedition to find Mallory's and Irvine's bodies is a gem.

Have only been in the Himalaya once; 4,200m at Annapurna Base Camp, preceded by a day's trek of 1200m vertical to Machapuchare Base Camp; next day a short trek to ABC. Mind boggling views. And this was merely the start of expeditions to greater heights up there.

The books provide a kind of insight into why folk put themselves on the edge.:CYou're not planning a mountain assault are you? You can't go and get frost bite in 'em after you've nursed 'em back to health. :doh:

So why DO people put themselves on the edge? :think: I find normal life enough of a challenge. :shrug:

[rsser]

Nice riposte Neil ;-}

At this stage I'd give someone a strapping for nix!

No TL, not me. Tho cashed up fit folk in their 50s have been guided to summit Everest without any real mountaineering or high altitude experience.

Why do climbers do it? The intensity of the experience - narrows existence down to just effort and survival, banishes trivialities. The views on the way. But there's usually no jubilation at the summit: many climbers are mentally sub par (hypoxic) by then, can't spend much time there and are not even half way cos going down is harder than getting up.

PS, a Sherpa holds the record for the most ascents. Most Sherpas do it as a living; to summit will boost the demand for their services. That said, Tenzing Norgay, who summitted with Hilary in 1953, was as taken with the splendour of the mountains as many western climbers.

[tea lady]

Kilimanjaro is supposed to be not bad for actually being able to enjoy it once you are there.:cool:

[rsser]

Yeah.

I enjoyed the trek to Annapurna Base camp at 4200m. 2nd last day was a hard route with 1200m vertical gain; I had the trots much of the time, but that altitude is not really altitude sickness territory, and the views were extraordinary. I relish physically hard work; like nothing better than skiing in high winds with snow falling and where navigation is not a problem.

Where I live on the edge is riding the sportsbike fast. There's no adrenaline without risk of danger. The art is staying on the right side of the edge, and in 100,000 km since my return to riding, the only injury down to me has been a wrenched thumb. Well that's bad enough given what I need to do with my hand, but I know why the accident happened and how to avoid or minimise the risk of a repeat.

I also know that with age comes lengthened reaction times, and the riding style needs to be adjusted accordingly. So I'll be reducing the aggression in my riding and maybe changing it altogether, splitting touring from fanging and saving the fanging for track days.

Anyway, I ramble. I'm back to touch typing with two hands and you, kind reader, get the benefit :rolleyes:

[hughie]

[
So why DO people put themselves on the edge?




The intensity of the experience - narrows existence down to just effort and survival, banishes trivialities

Pretty well sums it up

But on another note, its the doing of something that not every body can or could do and often confronting ones demons and conquering them, if only momentarily.
But the scariest part is seeing how much of the edge or how close you can get to it. Here the rational falls away for the exhilaration, heady stuff.......

[rsser]

Yes.

Pushing yourself further, partic twds the point where what you cannot control by way of major risks increases in proportion to what you can.

We talk about riding risks in terms of 10ths in the bike community. So 10/10ths is where you're riding in such a way that there is no margin for recovery where additional risk is encountered.

So eg. at this level you can estimate the max speed possible through a blind corner and do it, and if there's gravel or a tightening radius beyond what you can see, you are in trouble. Your only option is to run wide, and sometimes you can do this and recover and sometimes you go off the road or maybe hit oncoming traffic head-on.

I've only ridden this way once, thru Gippsland sweepers at high speed. Boy, does it give you an adrenaline high :D

Normally I ride with a margin to spare, anticipating the possibility of unseen risks ahead. But still often enough I go into a corner too hot and have no option but to brake later than I'd like and/or lean in further. This also provides a high.

But I run a well-fettled bike, with the suspension customised by an expert for my weight, riding style and road types. The suspenders are serviced every 15,000 km, with oil and gas changed and seals, bushes and O-rings checked. Reasonably grippy tyres last about 5,000 km rear ($330 to replace) and about 8,000 km front.

So when needs must, more can be asked of the bike and it will give it. Most crashes in the twisties happen because the rider loses his or her nerve, not because the bike runs out of capacity.

Seems Everest climbs are similar in some respects: climbers have to have the right gear, it has to be in good nick, and they have to know how to use it almost automatically. But up there the weather and the snow conditions are big variables, along with exhaustion and the various altitude sicknesses. Of every 4 climbers that summit, another will die trying or on the way back down. Some of those who succeeded in the infamous 1996 season were stepping over the corpses of those one in five. At 25,000 feet and above, rescues are rarely attempted.

[Grumpy John]

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Reasonably grippy tyres last about 5,000 km rear ($330 to replace) and about 8,000 km front.
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Is that because the front wheel is in the air 40% of the time :p:D?

[rsser]

I wish!

Speaking of choppin and Chopin, apparently the maestro said he'd happily give up all credit for his compositions if he could only be known for the score of Danny Boy (not the words, which apparently succeeded the music).

[ToothFairy]

. . . The suspenders are serviced every 15,000 km, with oil and gas changed and seals, bushes and O-rings checked. . .



Mate, after just reading that :o, my underwear needs servicing!

- Michael

[rsser]

LOL.

Good idea; might control the bouncing better ;-}

But yeah, I can feel it when the oil's past it in the front forks. The action becomes harsh and/or erratic.

[tea lady]

:C I get my adrenalin doing stuff in front of an audience. Solo singing with the choir ad stuff. Or acting. (Not that I get much of that.:rolleyes: ) The most I can hope for is a bunch of flowers hitting me. :rolleyes: Going for the grading in my tai chi last year was pretty good too. :cool:

[rsser]

Singing in public ... that'd scare me witless

and the audience.

[wally peat]

But yeah, I can feel it when the oil's past it in the front forks. The action becomes harsh and/or erratic.[/QUOTE]

(showing large amounts of personal bias here) That's because you ride a Honda Ern - maybe you should get a bike from somewhere that makes bikes instead of just engines :o



I've been away from the forum for a couple of weeks - hope your recovery is progressing well.

[rsser]

LOL. Them's fighting words my friend! ;-}

Yeah, love the vid.

But bottom line is, all the good sportsbikes have 'good' suspenders. We have Beemers, Dukes, Kwackas, Suzis and Hondas in the club. Their suspension systems are designed for some notion of the av rider on av roads. But when you're pushing for some personal version of Everest, av won't cut it.

Oil is at the heart of suspension systems, and it wears out. Sadly most riders don't know this and put themselves at risk by failing to notice the gradual degrade in their systems.

Spring rates are also at the heart - OK, can't have 2 hearts so say another ventricle ;-}

My Honda came from the factory with fairly soft rate springs in the forks, and also dual rate jobs. So on the highway there was a plush ride as the front end rode up and down on the soft rate section.

Trouble was, when much more was asked of them on one occasion, the soft rate section compressed rapidly, and then a series of corrugations compressed the hard rate section, and shooot, there was nothing left to give. Alpine Way in the Snowies, not far north of Khancoban. Ran wide in a deep cutting facing a wall of dirt. Well, I live to tell the tale. After that, no amount of investment in suspenders is too much.

Anyway, in defence of Mr Honda, all sportsbikes from the factory involve compromises, but can and must be customised to suit the rider's needs.

Enuff of this stuff. How's the Black Beast treating you?

[Calm]

Interesting story on nine news (melb) tonight ( (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/video.aspx)Motorcyclists outrun...) - police looking for 2 bikes clocked at 190 + on the black spur road - showed on tele - i couldnt see the dangerous bit they were raving about - It was overtaking down a hill. straight road, clear weather and vision - and the cops couldn't keep up

Go bike go:D:D:2tsup::2tsup:

[rsser]

Hmph!

Typical VicPol exaggeration in order the feed the moral panic about speed.

And/or they need their speedos checked.

Only spot you could crack those speeds on that road would be around Narbethong, which is NE of the Black Spur.

Er, did I just give something away? :-

[wally peat]

So what do you call a fork with two hearts? No idea Ern, but I will put my hand up to a windup about Japanese suspension. My last two bikes were a Guzzi and a Duke, but they were built in the 70's so there's no comparison with the capability of today's equipment. These days, I use a fork which contains no metal springs and almost no oil. Both compression and damping are done by air, and the entire fork weighs less than two kilos. Not only that, but at the twist of a dial I can change the length of travel by 50%, adjust compression damping as I ride from plush right through to rigid, and there's a monoshock at the back with the same range of tweaks. Ironic really that all this technology came from motorcycles when Fox and Marzocchi decided there was money to be made from selling suspension parts for mountain bikes, but I can see the day coming when all this lightweight technology does the reverse trickle and motorsickles get some of our gimmicks. On the last bike my front fork only had one leg, which actually makes it a strut, rather than a fork. It was called a Lefty, you'd never guess why....

Anyway, the big black beast and I are still very good friends. I happily plowed into bowl turning with no real idea of what I was doing, and when I eventually found one of the local turners who was prepared to come over and help me play with the stubby I was amazed at how much easier a little technique makes things. (thinks: must read one of those books one day)

I've had lots of fun with the auxillary equipment as well. I installed that gantry over the lathe to help load big pieces, but wisely, I haven't turned anything I can't lift with one hand yet. The slabs are there, and if it ever stops raining I will have a shot at a really big platter, but probably with some supervision.

I shamelessly copied Vern's circle cutting jig for the bandsaw, which saved me endless amounts of time and grief getting blanks to balance. I also admitted defeat on freehand grinding and bought a tru grind jig to go with the slow speed grinder. All of a sudden I'm a whiz at sharpening things :-) Mind you, I'm still a bit hesitant to hoe into a tool and put a whole new shape on it the way my local tutor does.

We had a good deal going here with me going to his place to play on the Vicmark or my place for the stubby on a weekly basis, but after the Xmas adventure with my boat I'm now pretty consumed with a rebuild of all the things which led to misadventure, so the tuition is on hold for a bit.

I was going to come home and take a few photos for this post just to prove I actually made woodshavings with the lathe, but my most recent mechanical investment decided that fuel injection was just sooo last century and just stopped pumping fuel into the cylinders. That wasted a few hours getting it home, so I'll wait until there's some more daylight and try to get proof of life in the shed.

I was in Melbourne for work a few weeks back, and I was tempted to try and wangle a visit to your shed, but the one evening I had free was an opportunity to go and poke around in the shed of my now deceased uncle - the one who showed my how to pull a motorcycle engine apart and put it back together so that it worked. I took a bunch of photos and had a big grumble to myself about how his workshop has been neglected by his inheritors, but that should probably be the subject of a separate post. That sort of thing only leads to ranting and sentimentality.

I've been getting treatment for a dodgy shoulder tendon from the local pilates instructor. She is proof of the fact that there's life after ballet, and every time she smiles and suggests I do something that I know is going to hurt I think of you and your hand, and tell myself I got off lightly. Hope yours is recovering.:2tsup:

[Manuka Jock]

Gidday guys,
do you have the link to Vern's circle cutting jig for the bandsaw ?
We could do wth one of those in the guild workshop .

cheers ,
Jock

[TTIT]

Gidday guys,
do you have the link to Vern's circle cutting jig for the bandsaw ?
We could do wth one of those in the guild workshop .

cheers ,
JockFinally a chance to hijack Erns thread :q:U

Here you go Jock... ttit - The Gadgets (http://www.ttit.id.au/gadgets/gadgets.htm#Circle)

[rsser]

Hijack away Vern. Much more interesting than talk of injury.

Peter, glad to hear you're soothing the black beast - lathe whispering?

Yes, being shown how is the fast route up the mountain.

And yes, bike suspenders are a tech that's been developed beyond a sensible plateau. 25 years ago I added a set of tyre valves to fork cap nuts and added a few psi of air for better damping. But these days we have from BMW the option of on-the-fly changes to spring preload and damping so you can cruise comfortably down the highway and when you get to the twisties and rougher blacktop can switch to sports mode settings.

Most riders have no idea of how to adjust their bike's suspension to suit their weight and the conditions.

Anyway, any time you're down this way you'd be made v. welcome in the shed. Goes for Vern too and anyone else from outside of town. You can help me brush the cobwebs off the lathe.

As for the wrist, I'm slowing right down with the exercises. Sposed to avoid pain so when it fires up, the wrist gets a rest til it goes away - usu 1 or 2 days. - part of my program of taking control of the rehab pace and learning what works one thing at a time.

Today's highlight is finally getting someone in to mow the lawn at TAC expense. It's been two months of phone calls and broken promises. The grass is knee deep in patches.

[rsser]

Damn paw.

Swore off the exercises bar the ortho strap and it settled down. Thurs I added in a couple of gentle stretches and the thing went gang busters thru to sleep time last night.

Got up with a headache this am, took a couple of Panadeine, and went to do the weekly shopping. Wrist in the old soft splint just to stabilise the old thumb injury.

Sailed thru the lifting and packing thinking, gee, the thing's coming good. Then realised the meds were prob still at work and oh sh*t, it's going to bite back big time when they wear off.

So the hours pass and there's no kick back at all. No aches, no tingling palm, no stiffness. Best it's been since the fractures happened.

The thing has a mind of its own.

[rsser]

Just back from the final hospital X-ray and review.

Side to side hand to forearm alignment is fine; fore/aft it's 20 degrees out. That's the max acceptable error apparently. Anything above that the instant rec'n is they break the wrist again and tilt the bone by grafting a wedge of hip bone into the gap.

That's what I'll be looking at if the wrist plays up badly in time.

[Ozkaban]

Gees Ern, hope it improves and you don't need to go through that. Sounds rough.

Cheers,
Dave

[Grumpy John]

Just back from the final hospital X-ray and review.

Side to side hand to forearm alignment is fine; fore/aft it's 20 degrees out. That's the max acceptable error apparently. Anything above that the instant rec'n is they break the wrist again and tilt the bone by grafting a wedge of hip bone into the gap.

That's what I'll be looking at if the wrist plays up badly in time.

In the good news/bad news scheme of things, is there any good news?

[rsser]

Thanks Dave. Yeah, don't want one side of the hip to sag ;-}

GJ - yep; slowly getting more rotation through the joint. Plakky hand-cuff is off except for sleeping. Grip has jumped from 12kg to 20 in 2 weeks (used to be well over 50kg). Can lift a kettle!

The deadness/tingling in the skin of the palm is apparently due to bruising of the median nerve, either from the accident or from the surgery. Should disappear unless it's further bruised from overuse inc. overdoing the exercises. That's the one GJ that was under pressure in your carpal tunnel.

[tea lady]

Can lift a kettle!
Phew! That's a relief. Some normality at least. :rolleyes::D Hope is continues to behave.:cool:

[ToothFairy]

Sounds like a glass half full / glass half empty. If I read you right, there's one bit of good news and one bit of . . . let's say indifferent news. Could be better; could be worse. I just hope you're able to get back to somewhere like where you'd like to be.

All the best.

- Michael

[rsser]

Thanks.

It's a matter of suck it and see - expecting a lot of the hand is likely to show up its limitations; it may or may not involve pain. Carpal tunnel syndrome and arthritis will be the usual suspects.

[rsser]

Update: did a few hours of light work on the weekend rehabbing a Stanley plane.

Well, I thought it was light! Pain flared up for a couple of days afterwards.

Hand therapist says to give it a run briefly, then wait for half an hour to see how it reacts.

Shoot; it's not my style but needs must.

At the review yesterday grip strength had increased to 30kg but there was no improvement in wrist rotation. It seems pain locks down the muscles.

The boredom is killing me.

Gotta laugh though. The hand therapist is a qualified Occupational Therapist with further study in hand rehab. She can't prescribe a soft splint or even a measly heat pack without getting the referring GP's approval. FFS, the GP knows nothing about what's going on with the rehab; approvals are almost always given sight unseen; and it's just another bucket load of paperwork. 'Medical dominance' it's called.

K, rant over.

[NeilS]

It seems pain locks down the muscles.

Yep, can seize you right up!
The boredom is killing me.



However, seems like you are making progress, Ern, albeit slowly.

Of course easy for me to say, not having to struggle through it all day after day, and night.

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[rsser]

Yep, making progress Neil.

Great to get some shed time in at last, even though I tend to overdo it.

It's hard to calibrate that. With other physio involving muscle pain or tightness I've been taught to push it and breathe through it. This suck it and see approach is a new ball game.

[rsser]

Today the thing's flared up cos I overdid the lifting during shopping.

But the hand therapist is now doing twice weekly massage and manipulation and that's freed it up a lot. I could no longer improve the rotation with exercises without pain.

Finally found out why she was so concerned about pain. Seems wrist and ankle fractures can cause a pain syndrome that leads to muscles, nerves and the local vascular system to go into overdrive. That locks up the joint and there's no certain remedy.

[Ozkaban]

Today the thing's flared up cos I overdid the lifting during shopping.

But the hand therapist is now doing twice weekly massage and manipulation and that's freed it up a lot. I could no longer improve the rotation with exercises without pain.

Finally found out why she was so concerned about pain. Seems wrist and ankle fractures can cause a pain syndrome that leads to muscles, nerves and the local vascular system to go into overdrive. That locks up the joint and there's no certain remedy.

Sounds like certain proof that shopping is more dangerous than woodturning. Will have to pass this onto LOML :D:D:D

Hope it's improving Ern. Take it easy mate, as frustrating as that is to hear :no:

Cheers,
Dave

[rsser]

Thanks Dave.

Yeah, slow and steady are not my middle names but I'm calibrating effort as best as I can.

The massage and manipulation leave the hand feeling light and pain-free and that's a wonderful break while it lasts.

In another era I could've got some distraction by plotting revenge through suing the other guy for pain and suffering; now we have a no-fault accident insurance scheme that can be sued if you get over a tough disability line. Like no arms or legs and a spike through the head ;-}

[tea lady]

Sounds like certain proof that shopping is more dangerous than woodturning. Will have to pass this onto LOML :D:D:D


Cheers,
Dave:rofl: Always an up side isn' there? :rolleyes:

Keep going Ern! :cool:

[Black Ned]

It would seem that your hand/wrist is "RS".
Hope it improves.
By the way, how do you pronounce "RSSER" and how did you decide on it for a handle?

[rsser]

LOL, the LOML knows that a shed session will produce nicer results than a supermarket one, but the hand therapist wants varied outings for the paw. I'm torn between two women ;-}

Ned, thanks.

I don't pronounce RSSER. It's a user name from the days when computing meant having an account on a mainframe. R was the abbrev. for the institution (RMIT), SS (Social Science) for the Dept., and ER are my initials.

Ah, the days of running multiple stats procedures on big data sets, just to see what might pop up, and to hell with the $$. But you paid for it with strict adherence to command formats and no help when you got it wrong ... which was often!

[Black Ned]

Well there you go.
I thought that it may have been be pronounced "AR ESS ER".
Like every thing you made turned "RS" and you were having a go at yourself.
I apologize for even thinking such a thing!!
I must congratulate you for having so many people on this forum that care about you and your health.
As i said earlier, I hope it improves and hope your not offended by my question or previous thought process.
I will now crawl back under my rock!
regards, Linden

[rsser]

LOL, no offence taken at all Linden.

Appreciate your take on the user name; sometimes all too true ;-}

[tea lady]

LOL, no offence taken at all Linden.

Appreciate your take on the user name; sometimes all too true ;-}:?:doh: I thought it was a power tool noise! :rolleyes::D You know. Kinda like how Meeeeeeeeuuuuoooooow! is a cat through a band saw. :D I thought Rsser nearly sounds liek a roughing gouge! :cool:

[NeilS]

Today the thing's flared up cos I overdid the lifting during shopping.



Too much heavy lifting during tool shopping I can understand, but supermarket shopping.... reckon you are going to have to get a grip on yourself with that one, Ern...:U

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[wheelinround]

Too much heavy lifting during tool shopping I can understand, but supermarket shopping.... reckon you are going to have to get a grip on yourself with that one, Ern...:U

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Lend him the LOYL's spinning wheel Neil its a little light turning :U

[rsser]

:-

Fraid I do most of my tool shopping at the 'puter these days. A few clicks, a sucking sound from the bank account and a week or two later the Auspost courier arrives. We're on first name terms now :D

I'll get down to the open days of Woodworksupplies and Machinery Warehouse this week so I promise to earn a hernia picking up some specials. Will also be demo'ing some Easy Wood tools for Grahame of Woodworksupplies. Should be a good selling point: see what the lame and infirm can do with these tools :wink:

[AlexS]

Ah, the days of running multiple stats procedures on big data sets, just to see what might pop up, and to hell with the $$. But you paid for it with strict adherence to command formats and no help when you got it wrong ... which was often!
So you're the bloke who clogged up the printers with SPSS output!:D

[rsser]

LOL.

Guilty m'lud!

It was called data dredging and frowned upon. Occasionally something of interest popped up but without a research rationale it was a bit hard to insert it into the project.

These days, I have SPSS on the PC, along with command debugging, file import and export and all the rest. Today's young whipper snappers don't know how lucky they are ;-} I started with Fortran and it made me the man I am :rolleyes:

[NeilS]

Lend him the LOYL's spinning wheel Neil its a little light turning :U

Think it would need a second wheel and handle bar to raise any interest....:U

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[rsser]

Oooh no, those spinning machines can bite back too.

In the days when tie-dye and cheesecloth reigned, I assembled one from a kit for a girlfriend.

Gave it a casual spin when all together, forgetting where the other hand was resting.

Yoww! One crushed fingernail.

[tea lady]

Think it would need a second wheel and handle bar to raise any interest....:U

.....I've got an electric one. At least it has a motor.:rolleyes::D

[tea lady]

:-


I'll get down to the open days of Woodworksupplies and Machinery Warehouse this week so I promise to earn a hernia picking up some specials. Will also be demo'ing some Easy Wood tools for Grahame of Woodworksupplies. Should be a good selling point: see what the lame and infirm can do with these tools :wink::oo::C why has no one told me. Not they a REALLY need anything.:doh::rolleyes:

[NeilS]

I've got an electric one. At least it has a motor.:rolleyes::D

Add a solar panel to it and you will be super green..:rolleyes:

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[rsser]

TL, under Announcements:

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f12/april-open-days-festivities-melbourne-116198/

[rsser]

Update: the 2x weekly massage and manipulation have helped increase joint flexibility nicely. Can now bend the hand forward 45* to the forearm which is defined as the functional minimum, and can squeeze to 38kg. More improvement should follow.

Apparently a big thing separating us from the apes is that our hands can also move side to side in relation to the forearm and theirs can't.

You heard it here first folks ;-}

[Ozkaban]

Update: the 2x weekly massage and manipulation have helped increase joint flexibility nicely. Can now bend the hand forward 45* to the forearm which is defined as the functional minimum, and can squeeze to 38kg. More improvement should follow.


Good to hear! Any improvement is good improvement:2tsup:



Apparently a big thing separating us from the apes is that our hands can also move side to side in relation to the forearm and theirs can't.

You heard it here first folks ;-}
So have your arms evolved to human again, or still stuck in 'ape mode'? :D:D:D

Cheers,
Dave

[Ozkaban]

Oh, forgot to mention. I took the kids to the Royal Easter Show in Syd on Monday, and had a pretty good time. The precision driving team seemed a bit more tame that previous (not sure if my memory is skewing that one), but the real highlight was the MotoX riders. My girls loved them too (:no:). We were sitting front row really close to the landing ramp and it was just amazing.

As a rider was doing a graceful backwards somersault (actually, all three - one after the other), I was sitting there thinking "I wonder which bones would break if you get this even slightly wrong???" :o

Then they had an interview of a rider just coming back from injury. In his words 'I kinda got it all wrong'. He broke a leg in 7 places:o

I tell ya, these motor bike riders are insane!!! Looks fun though :D

Cheers,
Dave

[rsser]

So have your arms evolved to human again, or still stuck in 'ape mode'?

Nah, knuckles still dragging on the ground but the therapist says to speak to Mum about that ;-}

Oh those guys make me feel sick. Even MotoGP riders are full of metal plates and pins. They're back riding before properly recovered since a series win comes from points from each race.

[haggismuncher]

.Ah, the days of running multiple stats procedures on big data sets, just to see what might pop up, and to hell with the $$. But you paid for it with strict adherence to command formats and no help when you got it wrong ... which was often!

Do I know that problem, SWMBO is in the hopefully last few months of her PhD. She "wasted" a month recently using a stats package noone at Uni Tas could help her with, normal rescue line had gone of to Antarctica rsearching. She spent weeks performing repetitive tasks coverting data from one format to another only to eventually find out it wasn't needed. Let's just say she got "a bit tense", I wasn't too happy as I was on childcare for the whole summer holiday (not that I objected but you'd think with 8 weeks off I could have got some real shed time in.
She was reading someone elses thesis from the 70's or 80's and she was so happy that she is doing hers nowadays, there is normally help out there somewhere.

Sorry to hear about your accident, as a former cycle tourist I know what near misses are like. Fingers crossed never been taken out at speed, so far.
Hope a speedy recovery is on the way.

Chris

[rsser]

Thanks; getting there.

Yes, 'puter programs can be a trial, esp. the powerful ones.

When I was finished qualitative data gathering for my Doc there were 750,000 words of interview transcripts. A bit more than butcher's paper could handle so I wrote a free text indexing and retrieval program to run on the PC. That was part diversion behaviour and mostly useful aid. This was in the 80s when the only equivalent ran on mainframes and I wanted something to work with word processing files on my own machine.

There was some interest from folk in buying it so I beefed it up with error routines - that took about 3 times as long as the basic coding - and sold a few copies. Big market now; if only I'd been entrepreneurial ....

[AlexS]

I started with Fortran and it made me the man I am :rolleyes:
Fortran & edlin; who could ask for anything more.:rolleyes:

[Cliff Rogers]

Fortran & edlin; who could ask for anything more.:rolleyes:
When I were a lad...... :D

[mic-d]

When I were a lad...... :D

...it was clay tablets and cuniform and the abacus was still a twinkle is someones eye:D

cheers
Michael

[Sawdust Maker]

...it was clay tablets and cuniform and the abacus was still a twinkle is someones eye:D

cheers
Michael

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